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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that applying their -

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found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global radio

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need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to painted black with

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Jimmy judge on the game-changing network

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all right my guy

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how you do it

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you do it coming a great mood it's gonna

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be one of those nights tonight

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it's Wednesday October 24th 2018

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unbelievable how do we get here as

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tonight we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of the beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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for kjc are the game changer Network

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than kgr a the planet I am your host

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Jimmy Church what is cracking everybody

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how you doing how you doing I'm looking

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at these phone lines you know they just

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filled up I don't even know if I'm

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taking calls tonight living in here me

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right now

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don't even bother stop I'm not gonna go

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and hang up on everybody just just stop

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oh man that was just a nutty flood okay

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all right I just mentioned tonight Nick

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Redfern is here we're gonna talk about

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his new book on abductions called

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top-secret alien abduction files there

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it is holding it up what the government

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over the camera look at that it's a

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great book too I'm just talking to Nick

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before the show he writes a lot of books

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you know and and it's his gig he's a

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great author but this one is a great one

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and I recommend it to everybody the

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links are over at Jimmy Church radio.com

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and of course you can go to Amazon too

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as well and everything is right there

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top-secret alien abduction files what

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the government doesn't want you to know

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what's great about the book we talking

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to Nick about this tonight there are

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quite a few and you would think that I

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know about every abduction case ever in

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the history of of everything and

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wrong so there's that part and there's

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some really great insight in the book

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that I didn't I'm gonna be straight I

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didn't expect from Nick it's really

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really really well done in that you know

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think of you know crypto stuff for men

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then Nick Redfern right well the book is

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be crazy tomorrow night so there you go

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everything tomorrow night I'm fade to

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black too as well for fate or night of

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in a while and II YouTube and you can

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calm and what we basically do on YouTube

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everything their entertainment their

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it may be from live or it may be you

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it's turned into so you can go and

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you're in a YouTube world subscribe to

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our channel right there in the links for

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Jimmy Church radio , if you're listening

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live right now well go subscribe to the

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channel okay all right at a church radio

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is Twitter hashtag F to be very

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important hashtag F to B is the sandbox

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turned into what the sandbox is turn

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into and what that hashtag has turned

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something to be seen you know if you

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done that and I thank you hashtag F to

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that it wasn't always that way

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hashtag you have to be exactly like that

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rooms everything faith YouTube

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everything fainted why is because of you

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GRA who runs you know the most amazing

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people do things over on an I heart

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of this that's a pretty crazy number six

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thousand we've done all of this because

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let me do it now I'm feeling all warm

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and fuzzy thank you okay to all of you

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you can also email and say thank you to

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me at Jimmy Church radio calm how's that

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all right let's get to this crazy crazy

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ass breaking news today it just freaks

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five more bombs arrived in the mail to

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a piece of mail that was returned to the

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like it but I'm saying this kind of news

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day sucks all of the envelopes listed

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be wrong but that is the best that we

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can do with that none of the explosives

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detonated and nobody was hurt the pipe

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addresses and six stamps that bore no

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that indicate I've indicates that they

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were hand-delivered by somebody to have

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where the bombs are made by one

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individual probably I don't know but to

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have Capitol Heights Maryland write New

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York City Chappaqua New York Washington

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DC and they have mall arrived at the

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same time well then and where they

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through the mail or not well the the the

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stamps weren't stamped right so I don't

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know this is a very strange thing to to

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unwind and then the bomb that was

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returned mail I down into Florida at

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Wasserman Schultz's office would

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indicate that that went through the mail

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system very trippy and that nothing

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exploded so well I mean was there there

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was also reports on this is going into

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today we'll find out you know more and

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you know tomorrow and days and weeks

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ahead but the bombs didn't go off and if

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that was done through returned mail down

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to Florida what does that say you know

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it's there all the handling and stuff so

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I don't know it's a it's a very very

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very very strange situation now I'm

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gonna make one comment and it's a loose

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one okay it's just a loose comment which

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is this we're talking about pipe bombs

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here okay and I went through Unabomber

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comes to mind you know we had all those

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bombs that were in

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Texas last year too as well but when you

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are earlier this year was it last year

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earlier this year when you go through

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stuff like that and you go through that

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kind of trauma and you know that kind of

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terrorism it's it's an uncomfortable

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feeling and to see means today and jokes

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being cracked about this oh man you know

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I just think that's wrong and it just

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shows you how divided this country is

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where suddenly this is a funny thing

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like it's a joke it's not a joke yeah

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see you know Dan Betts just tweeted

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bombs are a joke are they I know I don't

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even I don't even know what that means

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you know and I don't I don't find it

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funny and there you go okay so don't

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don't post a mean don't don't don't

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don't crack any funny stuff at this and

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and and and send it to me you do you're

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blocked

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alright moving on that was crazy but

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also today well this was yesterday

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the news is breaking today the growing

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uncertainty about how San Francisco

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Superior Court Judge Suzanne Suzanne

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Ramos Milano's would rule in the buyer

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appeal of the Monsanto cancer verdict

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was resolved yesterday morning as the

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judge upheld the jury's decision that

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the glyphosate based weed killer roundup

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sold by Monsanto caused a California

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man's terminal cancer and that Monsanto

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intentionally hid its dangers check this

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the judge decided to reduce the punitive

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damage award from the original total of

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289 million dollars following the

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verdict that was reached earlier this

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summer down to seventy eight point five

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million dollars now Monsanto's liability

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could reach eight hundred billion dollar

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the original Bayer Monsanto buyout and

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we all remember this was 57 billion

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dollars now the liability is 8 that

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sounds like a pretty bad investment

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he'd under eight billion dollars clearly

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Monsanto no longer looks like an asset

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to buyer and its stockholders that was a

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bad investment decision of course the

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stock tanked today and also buyer's

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market cap shrunk today by 57 billion

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dollars I believe those are the numbers

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I looked at the charts and it is crazy

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unbelievable unbelievable and click on

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do I believe we're gonna make the

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announcement tomorrow we've got a little

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uh little thing that I thought would be

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really cool for all of you coffee

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drinkers so we'll make that announcement

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tomorrow if you become in a game changer

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yeah we're gonna do something really

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great actor no doubt very funny one of

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the funniest he was great in a Prairie

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with Caddyshack Blues Brothers right

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soap dish it's right up there French

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kiss that's a great movie French kiss

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love story weaved into a hilarious

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comedy

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that was disguised as a love story or

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the opposite French kiss is a great

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movie how about a Fish Called Wanda

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right but now Kevin Klein is better

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known as the husband of Phoebe Cates

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that's right I said it nobody wants to

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say it out loud I'll say it I just did

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on this day in history 2003 the

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supersonic Concorde makes its last

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commercial passenger flight traveling at

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twice the speed of sound from New York

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City's John F Kennedy International

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Airport to London's Heathrow and on that

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fight I believe Joan Collins there's a

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bunch of celebrities I don't know why I

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remember Joan Collins but Joan Collins

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fader fact I love it I love it when we

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get to this point in the show fader fact

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China owns all of the pandas in the

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world and I think we knew that right but

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they rent them out for $1,000,000 a year

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and the lease agreement requires that

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any Cubs born to be returned to China

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and does not include postage and that is

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your fate or fact is this thing on is

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this thing working

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is that thing working all right tonight

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Nick Redfern is here we're gonna be

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talking about his new book top-secret

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alien abduction files what the

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government doesn't want you to know

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there it is

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that's the cover the book is great

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discussing that tonight

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tomorrow night's another Fator night

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open lines all night long now here we go

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this is where you need is just sit down

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and listen well you know why not pretty

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much I pretty much say that every single

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night when I get to my rant but listen

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to this especially you know we've been

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talking about the secret space program

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the SSB you know all week on this show

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I've been talking about it for years but

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it's been the topic of conversation

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right well listen to me is where

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everybody out there everybody needs to

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just to sit and listen because during

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the fourth public meeting of the

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National Space Council vice president

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and chairman Mike Pence described the

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path forward needed to develop a sixth

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branch of the military known as the u.s.

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space force pence gave the opening

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remarks at the meeting yesterday which

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was held at the National Defense

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University in Washington DC now Pence

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emphasized at the meeting that space is

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a war fighting domain that's right

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now I'm going to quote open quote right

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now from our vice president pence he

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said and I quote for decades one

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independent study after another has

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called for reforms to the current

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organizational structure of our national

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space capabilities this lack of a

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centralized leadership and

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accountability we believe poses a clear

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and present threat to our capacity to

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advance our national security in space

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he continued I believe the time has come

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to stop studying the problem and start

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fixing it the United States space force

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we believe is central to the solution

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that American needs end quote

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pence describes six recommendations the

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council planned to send to the president

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Donald Trump right listen to this

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invited updates on the status of the

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council's previous projects and asked

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for testimony from three experts who

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supported the country's need for a space

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force here are the six recommendations

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for the council get your pen out write

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this down number one create a new

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unified US space

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command to establish a chain of command

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for space force operations and determine

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the doctor and tactics and procedures

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for space war fighting in the 21st

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century

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number two have the Secretary of Defense

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create a joint space development agency

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to cut through bureaucracy and make

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space technology quickly available when

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the space force needs it number three

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work with the National Security Council

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to conduct a comprehensive review of the

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current interagency authorities to make

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sure war fighters can react flexibly to

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stop threats in space

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number four direct the creation of a

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legislative proposal for the space force

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number five address the 2020 budget

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which will allow for the space forces

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creation and number six strengthen the

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relationship between the intelligence

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community and the space force how do you

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00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:18,879
like that now I I and I broke this down

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I mean I I read through this and I

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looked and and deciphered and read

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between the lines of each one of these

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points it's almost worth repeating and

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especially when you look at number one

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or number two and then you get to three

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then you get to four then you get to

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number one create a new unified view a

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space command to establish a chain of

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command for space force operations and

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determine the doctor and tactics and

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yeah

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number two have the Secretary of Defense

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create a joint space Development Agency

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to cut through the bureaucracy and make

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space technology quickly available when

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00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:18,980
the space force needs it you've got to

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just ask yourself what right number

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three work with the National Security

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Council to conduct a comprehensive

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review of the current interagency

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authorities to make sure war fighters

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can react flexibly to stop threats to

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this is Vice President Mike Pence laying

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out the six points and recommendations

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for the president now I gotta tell you

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and I'm and I'm reading it this is what

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went through my mind today the president

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whoever he may be it happens to be this

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time around

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president Trump whoever he is opens that

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you know just sits down you know

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national security briefing he's in the

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Oval Office he opens up the folder and

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he's looking at these six points he

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obviously knows what it's about

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and there's one side of it there's one

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00:28:29,470 --> 00:28:27,500
side of it that says okay well okay

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we've got our forces on the ground we've

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got GPS systems we've got military

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00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:35,270
communications we've got all of the

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terrain imaging things that are going on

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up there we've got all of the NSA

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satellites we've got all we got to

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protect those assets right okay all

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right there there's that part of it and

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then there's the other part war in space

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that is very interesting and that

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00:29:01,870 --> 00:28:59,570
actually happened yesterday in the

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United States of America in Washington

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DC you need to chew on that think about

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that we'll talk about it tomorrow night

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:09,260
on the show because it'll be open lines

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00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:12,050
all night long tonight it's Nick Redfern

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and we are talking about his new book

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Redfern

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tonight is our guest tomorrow night will

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about Nick's new book alien a top-secret

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alien abduction files what the

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government doesn't want you to know I'm

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holding it up for the cameras right

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there Nick works full-time as an author

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he's a luxury's a journalist he writes

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tonight we're going to talk about this

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new book alien abduction files I'd like

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to welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only Nick Redfern Nick how are you

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man I lost net right as I said the okay

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let me mute let me you know Nick and I

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were talking before the show about his

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phone issues and Nick there you are how

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are you man we were just talking about

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phone issues and look BAM just like that

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typical yes allow me to blame it on the

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man in black let's do that hey Nick

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welcome back to the show and the first

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question out of the gate which just

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popped up on Twitter Jimmy you got ass

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Nick what rock-and-roll shirt he's

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wearing right now this week this week

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fender you know Fender guitars right

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fender hooked me up with a really cool

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birthday present last week two weeks ago

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and but they also sent me a box full of

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Fender Stratocaster t-shirts I mean how

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cool is that so yes I yeah so I've been

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sporting the Fender Strat shirts on all

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week now Nick this is what I want to do

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first before we get to the book which is

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I want to remind you you may remember

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this you do so many conferences and and

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I can respect that but many years ago

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you were on a panel with me which you've

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done a few but there was with me but

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there was one panel where you said

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something very interesting that I've

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never forgotten Nick and it was this we

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were talking about how you know ET craft

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get to earth right and you said and we

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had so many people on the panel I think

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I think you were sitting next to Stanton

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Friedman you know and everybody had

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their own opinions you went completely

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off the charts with your comment which

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was man you know I think they're just

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already here I think that they are there

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could be just a base on the moon or

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another planet and they're not traveling

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across the galaxy they're just they're

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doing a drive-by that they're here and I

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never forgot that now this is why I'm

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asking you to remember that statement

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because the the space force has been

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created now and there

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throw this in the budget for 2020 and

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Mike Pence made this crazy statement

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yesterday about their six points of of

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creation of the space force in

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preparation for space war and I'm

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quoting him right it's a pretty crazy

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thing but then I forced me to remember

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your statement that you made on that

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panel so many years ago it kind of feels

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a little strange to me what do you think

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about this space force and your theory

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that you know ET is right here in our

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solar system do you think there's

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something going on well I mean I think

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primarily this you know the so-called

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space force is probably sort of a

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modern-day version of what President

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Reagan had envisaged you know the Star

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Wars program which didn't really get off

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either now I think you know the

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technology is more advanced today but in

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saying that I mean it's going to take a

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huge amount of budget you know to sort

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of plan and put into place something

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like this because if you think about it

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now you know America doesn't even have a

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manned space program you know I mean we

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had 130 20 years ago you know it

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imagined but then it would have been

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double triple the size but now you know

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if we want to get into space we have to

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hitch a ride on the Russians Rockets you

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know to get to the International Space

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Station we literally don't have a manned

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space program so you know for this sort

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of space war type organization well you

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know I mean it's going to be it's almost

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like going back to the beginning again

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so you know I'm not sure exactly how

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it's going to take off and I'm guessing

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you know that the primarily the primary

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goal is going to be to you know find a

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way to stop you know opposing missiles

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out of the sky or may personally think

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it's you know it's driven by

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extraterrestrials I think it's probably

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the fear that you know somebody's going

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to launch an attack from you know from

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all from the Earth's orbit rather than

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you know from a silo or whatever that

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kind of thing do you

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think and the obvious question would be

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Nick because you've written about this

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and cover this whether it is the UFO

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phenomenon or the men and black or

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cattle mutilations the phenomenon in

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general that that they know something

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that we don't that they and this is like

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you just said it's probably somewhat

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already been in place but now this is

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going public you know is there is there

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a need for concern here on our part well

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I think I think the primary concern

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would be you know somebody like the

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Russians you know I think that's

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probably who they're they're thinking

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about I mean you know if you look at the

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situation in the world today I mean you

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know with nuclear weapons and whatever I

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mean it's a very unstable world right

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now and I mean you even have people you

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know making crazy statements to the

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effect that you know you can win a

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nuclear war which is crazy no one can

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win the nuclear war everybody loses you

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00:42:16,259 --> 00:42:14,440
know it's impossible to win it and so

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you know I think it's it's the the

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concern of how things are just sort of

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you know you're just getting reached a

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lot of balls almost rolling you know

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what I mean it's like we're arguing with

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the Russians every five minutes and the

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Chinese every ten minutes and you know

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it's like what's he gonna take for

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people to sort of all leaders around the

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world to sort of kind of pull back from

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the brink you know but in saying that I

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mean that was pretty much what the

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situation was with Ronald Reagan when he

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00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:50,019
was president but he also had this you

814
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:50,950
know he would come out with these

815
00:42:56,249 --> 00:42:52,900
statements as to the effect that you

816
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,259
know how a potential alien threat would

817
00:43:02,489 --> 00:42:59,680
would unite us all against you know some

818
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:02,499
of sort of extraterrestrial enemy so I

819
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,930
mean who knows you know who knows if

820
00:43:10,019 --> 00:43:07,599
there's another agenda going on that the

821
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:10,029
rest of us don't know about you know I

822
00:43:14,549 --> 00:43:12,730
mean Reagan kind of alluded to that when

823
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:14,559
he was doing his you know his plans to

824
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:16,390
have Star Wars put into place

825
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:19,990
so who knows if you know something else

826
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:22,330
going on that we don't know about and

827
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:24,520
there is like a second agenda the first

828
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:28,060
one being you know terrestrial forces

829
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,750
and possibly you know another one being

830
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:32,800
extraterrestrial yeah you could hide

831
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:35,980
everything and that it's so obvious

832
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:38,650
right you can hide everything into well

833
00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:40,750
you know it's the it's the Russians it's

834
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:43,960
the Chinese it's it's our GPS system its

835
00:43:49,859 --> 00:43:46,450
communications it's military stuff and

836
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,869
and we need to you know defend that okay

837
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:52,720
Wow all right I see that hide the budget

838
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,570
there but then it's is there an

839
00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:57,520
extraterrestrial threat you know is

840
00:44:02,460 --> 00:43:59,500
there something else there why call it a

841
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:02,470
space force if it's something else why

842
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:04,270
not call it the satellite Defense

843
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:08,890
Initiative no but but the the space

844
00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:12,640
force and war in space certainly feels

845
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:16,300
different to me well yeah I think just

846
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:19,180
the name itself has kind of got a lot of

847
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,090
people thinking you know what is this

848
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,240
space force he does kind of sound like

849
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:27,040
you know what the Marines go into space

850
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:28,510
or something you know what I mean like

851
00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:32,590
that kind of thing and you know I would

852
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:37,240
be inclined to just say it was something

853
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,740
to do you know with the Russians or the

854
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:41,520
Chinese or whatever I said worry not for

855
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,070
Reagan you know when he was presidents

856
00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:46,960
he wanted to create this sort of

857
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,300
space-based Armada if you like but he

858
00:44:57,810 --> 00:44:55,240
was also talking about extraterrestrials

859
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:57,820
you know in the same time frame and how

860
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:00,430
you know we needed to keep a lookout for

861
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,000
them so what would intrigue me would be

862
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:06,880
if as the space force you know gets more

863
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:10,060
publicity to keep a lookout to see if

864
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:12,010
you know any bond in the political arena

865
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:14,950
then starts bringing up the UFO issue

866
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:17,500
you know kind of the way that Reagan

867
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:19,330
brought the two together be interesting

868
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:21,220
to see if anybody does that with the

869
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:23,050
space war you know that they in a

870
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:25,510
theoretical way they bring the UFO angle

871
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:27,910
into that as well then that would be I

872
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,250
think you know that we kind of really

873
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:32,960
eye-opening yeah I have

874
00:45:37,540 --> 00:45:35,510
night vision goggles I don't know if you

875
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:37,550
do but but I have night vision goggles

876
00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:40,190
and looking up and seeing strange things

877
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,380
is a very fun thing to do just take that

878
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:44,720
to the next level right you're looking

879
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:46,040
through your night vision and you're

880
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:48,200
watching some kind of crazy space battle

881
00:45:57,099 --> 00:45:52,310
going out there right war games testing

882
00:46:01,329 --> 00:45:57,109
of of weapons that is a whole nother

883
00:46:04,329 --> 00:46:01,339
that that takes things right into a buck

884
00:46:06,339 --> 00:46:04,339
war Buck Rogers type of world if this is

885
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:06,349
what they are going to put together and

886
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:08,390
you have to test that equipment and now

887
00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:10,970
we have the ability with telescopes and

888
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:15,020
night vision not only goggles but you

889
00:46:20,859 --> 00:46:18,530
have all of the celestron binoculars and

890
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:20,869
the ability to look into the stars at

891
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:24,980
night yeah and and it would be like I

892
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:26,540
said you would have to have wargames I

893
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:30,410
wanted I wanted to get right over to the

894
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:34,570
book Nick because when I think of you

895
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:37,910
you know what you know cryptozoology and

896
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:41,060
and black-eyed children and Bigfoot and

897
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:46,609
and and Mothman this this I I get the

898
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:49,609
new one and it's alien abduction files

899
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:53,080
and I thought here we go alright Nick

900
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:56,630
this is pretty cool well the book turned

901
00:47:01,810 --> 00:46:59,839
out to be really really good and I was

902
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:01,820
impressed with it but I have to ask you

903
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:04,490
why write it what what inspired you to

904
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:05,180
go here

905
00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:08,540
well you know I've done a lot of books

906
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:10,520
over the years I think I think this is

907
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:14,060
that actually the 50th one and and so

908
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:17,150
when you did writing books and you're

909
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,250
also a reader of books as I am you know

910
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:21,440
you want to be able to give the audience

911
00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:23,810
something no I mean there's no point

912
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:26,390
really just sort of going over all

913
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:28,430
grounds so I always I'm always sort of

914
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,050
careful to try and come up with an idea

915
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,200
that that I think people would find

916
00:47:37,450 --> 00:47:35,420
intriguing and which largely hasn't been

917
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:37,460
done before now the books called

918
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:40,130
top-secret alien abduction files now

919
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,170
people might say well what can you say

920
00:47:46,570 --> 00:47:44,690
about alien abductions that hasn't been

921
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:46,580
said before you know we've got book

922
00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:48,970
witness capers communion Budd Hopkins

923
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:51,830
missing time and the interrupted journey

924
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:54,230
about the Betty and Barney Hill case so

925
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:56,600
you know it's been covered a lot but one

926
00:48:01,180 --> 00:47:58,370
of the things that hadn't been covered

927
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:01,190
to a significant degree was the whole

928
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:04,550
issue of what government agencies know

929
00:48:10,090 --> 00:48:06,920
about alien abductions and so that's the

930
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:10,100
theme of the book it's a study of cases

931
00:48:15,070 --> 00:48:13,220
and official files Declassified through

932
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:15,080
the Freedom of Information Act which

933
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:18,590
demonstrates for decades that have been

934
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:21,530
sort of groups within government that

935
00:48:26,260 --> 00:48:24,290
have taken an interest and a concern in

936
00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:26,270
the abduction phenomenon so that's

937
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,860
basically the theme of the book like

938
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:30,880
taking the abduction angle to a

939
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:33,740
different level if you like what did you

940
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:36,830
ultimately find out that you didn't know

941
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:40,250
before well one of the things I found

942
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:43,450
was that there were more than a few

943
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:46,520
agencies and departments within both the

944
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:49,460
United States and the UK but over the

945
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:52,700
years had taken an interest in the

946
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:56,450
abduction phenomenon this is going back

947
00:49:02,140 --> 00:48:58,850
till the early 1960s which interestingly

948
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:02,150
enough was pretty much the same time

949
00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:05,210
when you had the Betty and Barney Hill

950
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:07,340
case which was that classic case that

951
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:11,000
really kicked everything off in 1961 now

952
00:49:16,780 --> 00:49:13,340
a lot of people don't know that the Air

953
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:16,790
Force actually opened a file on the the

954
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:18,590
Betty and Barney Hill case and it's

955
00:49:24,850 --> 00:49:22,220
actually discuss is the the case itself

956
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:24,860
very seriously you know it's not no talk

957
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:27,740
of crackpots or anything like that it

958
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:31,430
was like a very sober report on their

959
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:33,770
experience and where it happened and

960
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:36,470
what they saw and references to these

961
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:39,980
beings and and interestingly enough

962
00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:43,910
Betty herself said at one point when she

963
00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:46,430
was speaking with the Air Force about

964
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:50,360
her experiences on the phone somebody

965
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:53,570
who was on the conversation said can we

966
00:49:57,610 --> 00:49:54,920
put you through to a different

967
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:57,620
departments and Betty said she never

968
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,450
found out

969
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:01,359
who this other department was but they

970
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:03,670
were extremely interested in her

971
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:07,540
abduction experience and and that kind

972
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:10,390
of that mischief who this organization

973
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:13,210
was or this body was that were very keen

974
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:15,160
to speak to her she shared the

975
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,980
information but was never told who

976
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,079
exactly it was on the other end of the

977
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:21,760
line did you find out

978
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:24,970
now I didn't but I mean what I did find

979
00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:28,599
out was that most of the agencies and

980
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:31,300
departments that were looking into this

981
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:34,030
and as logic dictates are still looking

982
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:37,000
into it we're not just sort of you your

983
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:41,320
average bodies in the military etc it

984
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:43,000
was actually specifically our

985
00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:45,550
intelligence agencies and intelligence

986
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:47,020
departments like military intelligence

987
00:50:53,819 --> 00:50:50,730
Air Force intelligence army intelligence

988
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:53,829
so in other words they were looking at

989
00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:55,630
this as a there was a from the

990
00:51:01,560 --> 00:50:57,220
perspective like an intelligence

991
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:01,570
gathering type of situation where there

992
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:04,839
was clearly concerns on you know the

993
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:07,619
nature and the frequency of these events

994
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:10,119
you know what was going on is this

995
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:12,130
something that's going to increase you

996
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:13,660
know what are the reasons for the

997
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,800
abductions and when I found a number of

998
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,800
themes running through these cases one

999
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:23,920
of them interestingly enough which came

1000
00:51:29,849 --> 00:51:26,980
from the UK files Declassified files

1001
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:29,859
from the National Archives just outside

1002
00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:31,780
of London where the government keeps it

1003
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:34,300
Declassified files I found a number of

1004
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:38,170
cases number of files which dated from

1005
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:40,540
just a couple of months from after the

1006
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:42,310
Betty and Barney Hill case which was

1007
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:45,310
September 61 so we're talking about sort

1008
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:48,910
of early 62 and the British Royal Air

1009
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:51,910
Force their intelligence department was

1010
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:55,630
collecting reports of young girls who

1011
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,270
had reported to their parents and then

1012
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,680
the parent you know the story got out

1013
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:02,079
where they talked about how they've been

1014
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:04,089
woken up in the middle of the night and

1015
00:52:08,609 --> 00:52:06,609
seen like this ball of light out of side

1016
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,619
of the window and they felt compelled to

1017
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,480
go to the window

1018
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,400
and and then there was like a period of

1019
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:14,980
missing time now this is sort of classic

1020
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:17,410
examples of what we see in abduction

1021
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:19,990
cases you know very very often it starts

1022
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:22,420
you know a young in life and people go

1023
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:24,520
to the window now this experience and

1024
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:26,170
their missing time they can't remember

1025
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:28,570
everything and the British Royal Air

1026
00:52:33,569 --> 00:52:31,150
Force was actually actively collecting

1027
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:33,579
these reports and interviewing these

1028
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:37,780
young girls 16 17 or 18 about their

1029
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:39,550
experiences and I was actually able to

1030
00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:41,470
get these files through the freedom

1031
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:43,420
Information Act and use quotes from them

1032
00:52:48,359 --> 00:52:45,970
in the documents and these aren't you

1033
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,369
know friend-of-a-friend tales anyone can

1034
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:51,040
now go to the National Archives and read

1035
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:53,170
these files but the the big question of

1036
00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:55,630
course is what prompted the British

1037
00:53:01,620 --> 00:52:58,660
intelligence just a few months after the

1038
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:01,630
Betty and Barney Hill case to suddenly

1039
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:04,690
start looking into cases involving young

1040
00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:07,150
people feeling compelled to the go to

1041
00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:09,220
the window late at night and see these

1042
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:12,520
lights clearly someone know far more

1043
00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:14,920
about this phenomenon and you know we

1044
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:16,869
can gauge that from the files to a

1045
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,470
degree how many how many how many cases

1046
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:22,800
were there how many girls were involved

1047
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:26,980
well in terms of the the UK cases I

1048
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,109
found these are just the ones that I

1049
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:30,640
found because you know you have to just

1050
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:33,430
dig through this sort of massive old

1051
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:36,700
sort of archive of literally hundreds

1052
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:38,560
and hundreds of thousands of pages if

1053
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:41,740
not more but I found nine altogether now

1054
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:45,970
one of the most interesting one dated

1055
00:53:51,569 --> 00:53:48,040
from the mid-1960s

1056
00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:51,579
and a young woman and I'm Diane folks

1057
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:55,300
and she was driving home from her home

1058
00:54:00,809 --> 00:53:57,880
in screaming back home from work in

1059
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:00,819
central England and she saw this strange

1060
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:04,690
light in the sky and she said he beamed

1061
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,910
like these rays of light down to the car

1062
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:09,839
it effectively headlights of the car and

1063
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,130
these are what are known as vehicle

1064
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,319
interference cases in ufology where

1065
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:16,380
these craft scenes have the ability to

1066
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:19,540
affect the cars and in this particular

1067
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:23,160
case the witness Diane folks

1068
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,320
said that told her parents what happened

1069
00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:27,900
that she'd seen this like object in the

1070
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:29,790
sky she was driving home from work like

1071
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:32,790
11 o'clock at night and she was crossing

1072
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:34,830
something called the Montford bridge in

1073
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:37,620
this little village and this object was

1074
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,600
in the sky classic flying-saucer

1075
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:42,480
beamed down this light affected the car

1076
00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:46,830
headlights and terrified her and sends

1077
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:49,560
like a shooting pain through her arm she

1078
00:54:55,310 --> 00:54:52,140
got back home in a state of like terror

1079
00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:55,320
and fear told her parents who contacted

1080
00:55:00,980 --> 00:54:58,220
the police who contacted the air force

1081
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:00,990
local air force base and an intelligence

1082
00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:05,460
officer came out and from there the air

1083
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:07,860
force took a great interest in her story

1084
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:10,290
and asked a lot of weird questions that

1085
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:13,020
such as did she have any weird dreams

1086
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:17,850
after the encounter what did you feed

1087
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you feel when you know the the object

1088
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being this light down to you and he

1089
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turns out that they'd also spoken to

1090
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another person in the same village a mr.

1091
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Griffin and the Air Force had spoken to

1092
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him he lived very just literally half a

1093
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mile from where she lived and it turned

1094
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out that this mr. Griffin had previously

1095
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spoken to the Air Force before

1096
00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:49,050
Dyanne folks and it turned out that he

1097
00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:51,840
had reported being taken onboard a UFO

1098
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,600
and had vague memories of being laid out

1099
00:55:59,180 --> 00:55:56,700
on this table and strapped down and

1100
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,190
these strange creatures surrounding him

1101
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:02,720
so the and this was from the mid sixties

1102
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:04,950
you know if you hadn't gone looking for

1103
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these files we wouldn't even really know

1104
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:09,270
you know that the British military was

1105
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:11,460
asking all these kind of questions about

1106
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abductions the waiting star doing into a

1107
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lot the 70s and 80s for the most part

1108
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you know yeah that is fascinating and we

1109
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we need to take a break right here when

1110
00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:24,620
we come back we can kind of set this up

1111
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:28,560
for when we when we return Nick is that

1112
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:32,370
when did it fur in a historical

1113
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:35,190
perspective when did it like change from

1114
00:56:40,339 --> 00:56:36,900
contact II to abductee

1115
00:56:42,859 --> 00:56:40,349
and are they one in the same but the the

1116
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:42,869
name and the abduction phenomenon I

1117
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didn't I didn't well I found out from

1118
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reading the book but when he reached

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back you know before 1960 that I think

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is a big surprise for everybody and

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that's why I really enjoyed reading the

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book because I ended up learning

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00:57:01,220 --> 00:56:59,369
something that quite frankly we have

1124
00:57:03,499 --> 00:57:01,230
Betty and Barney Hill we have Betty and

1125
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:03,509
Driessen and we have some of these other

1126
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:05,849
famous cases and of course Whitley which

1127
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:09,150
is also in the book but going back

1128
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:11,430
it wasn't isolated a here to the United

1129
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:15,359
States but but Britain has some of the

1130
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most amazing and compelling cases I

1131
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:21,329
think of all of the abduction phenomenon

1132
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:23,249
so let's take a break right here and I

1133
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:25,049
do want to get into the history of this

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because I think it's it's something that

1135
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this audience needs to learn we need to

1136
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figure this out Nick stay right there

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this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church hey Nick what's your

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Twitter Oh Nick Redfern UFO of course I

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knew that we'll get it right up there

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and Twitter I'll be right back but I

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guess dick Redfern stay with us

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Jimmy Church who holds the lucky pony

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record for the best astrological chart

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Jimmy church on fade to black across the

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01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:31,650
[Music]

1235
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:33,670
welcome back painted black having a

1236
01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:36,490
super Church I guess tonight Nick

1237
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,460
Redfern I got Nick's Twitter up there in

1238
01:02:43,610 --> 01:02:41,440
Twitter everybody to go follow Nick

1239
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:43,620
we're talking about his new book

1240
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:46,450
top-secret alien abduction files I'm

1241
01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:48,490
holding it up to the cameras great book

1242
01:02:54,090 --> 01:02:50,920
what the government doesn't want you to

1243
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:54,100
know and Nick let's do a little alien

1244
01:03:01,440 --> 01:02:58,420
abduction 101 if we if we could let's

1245
01:03:04,410 --> 01:03:01,450
kind of set the tone here when we look

1246
01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:04,420
back to the contactee phenomenon of the

1247
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:12,150
50s George Van Tassel Adamski are they

1248
01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:15,670
all went to Venus right is that an

1249
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:18,220
abduction yeah allegedly if you know

1250
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:18,670
what I mean

1251
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:24,720
but is that different from an abductee

1252
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,090
well it is a pointless out in the book

1253
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:30,400
because for people who might be thinking

1254
01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:32,440
well you know that the idea that the

1255
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:34,180
government watches people who claims

1256
01:03:39,060 --> 01:03:36,820
about an alien encounters you know like

1257
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:39,070
close-up encounters you might say that's

1258
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:41,410
bizarre again we can prove these through

1259
01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:42,970
the Freedom Information Act and I'll

1260
01:03:48,450 --> 01:03:45,550
explain what I mean by that now although

1261
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:48,460
the alien abduction phenomenon didn't

1262
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:50,680
largely begin or at least it wasn't in

1263
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:52,690
the public domain until the early

1264
01:03:58,260 --> 01:03:54,460
sixties with the Betty and Barney Hill

1265
01:04:00,270 --> 01:03:58,270
case from the early 1950s onwards before

1266
01:04:02,570 --> 01:04:00,280
the abductees there were the contactees

1267
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:02,580
now these are people who claimed

1268
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:05,770
face-to-face contact with aliens who

1269
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:07,690
look very much like us except they were

1270
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:10,110
sometimes described as being

1271
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:12,430
significantly taller and with long hair

1272
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,730
long blonde hair now whereas in the

1273
01:04:19,650 --> 01:04:17,680
abduction cases you know people are

1274
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:19,660
taken away abducted if against the will

1275
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:23,380
in the contactee cases people felt sort

1276
01:04:29,370 --> 01:04:25,990
of compelled to go out into desert

1277
01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:29,380
locations where they would meet these

1278
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:32,280
sort of human looking aliens who would

1279
01:04:38,850 --> 01:04:36,850
essentially sort of relate how they

1280
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,860
would prefer that we the human race

1281
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:40,720
leave our ways you know and they would

1282
01:04:44,539 --> 01:04:42,970
talk to people about how we should lay

1283
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:44,549
down our nuclear weapons

1284
01:04:47,929 --> 01:04:46,049
be friends with each other otherwise

1285
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:47,939
we're going to destroy the planet and

1286
01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:49,650
all of these people it was almost as if

1287
01:04:54,380 --> 01:04:52,140
they were mind-controlled and they felt

1288
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compelled to sort of write books and

1289
01:04:59,299 --> 01:04:56,819
hold conferences and lectures in other

1290
01:05:02,419 --> 01:04:59,309
words it was as if the aliens were sort

1291
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of doing their are we were doing their

1292
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:05,009
work for them by proxy almost if you

1293
01:05:09,769 --> 01:05:07,410
like you know and you had these people

1294
01:05:13,699 --> 01:05:09,779
who became almost like gurus you know

1295
01:05:15,439 --> 01:05:13,709
and they would you know attract hundreds

1296
01:05:16,969 --> 01:05:15,449
and hundreds if not thousands and

1297
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:16,979
thousands of people for their lecturers

1298
01:05:21,529 --> 01:05:20,640
and seminars now when word got out you

1299
01:05:25,309 --> 01:05:21,539
know that there are a lot of these

1300
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:25,319
people talking about alien encounters

1301
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:27,900
and how the aliens wanted to us to

1302
01:05:33,459 --> 01:05:30,119
disarm our atomic weapons and so on in

1303
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:33,469
the early 50s the FBI actually opened

1304
01:05:39,799 --> 01:05:36,420
significantly long files on many of the

1305
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:39,809
early contactees for example George Van

1306
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:42,809
Tassel who created the integratron as a

1307
01:05:49,999 --> 01:05:46,619
giant rock in California George Van

1308
01:05:51,849 --> 01:05:50,009
Tassel's FBI file is just over 300 pages

1309
01:05:56,449 --> 01:05:51,859
in length

1310
01:06:00,189 --> 01:05:56,459
George Adamski's is about 140 Truman

1311
01:06:06,380 --> 01:06:03,679
contactees in the 50s he's files about

1312
01:06:10,209 --> 01:06:06,390
50 pages George on Williamson's he's

1313
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,219
about 70 and I could go on and on and on

1314
01:06:16,449 --> 01:06:13,920
the the FBI opened files on somewhere in

1315
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:16,459
the region about 15 of the early

1316
01:06:21,339 --> 01:06:19,799
contactees in the 1950s and most of them

1317
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:21,349
most of the files have now been

1318
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:23,640
Declassified into the public domain but

1319
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:26,039
they talk about how the FBI sat in the

1320
01:06:31,729 --> 01:06:29,369
audience and make notes and you know

1321
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:31,739
reported back to J Edgar Hoover as to

1322
01:06:35,959 --> 01:06:33,569
you know the the beliefs that the

1323
01:06:37,699 --> 01:06:35,969
contactees had about the aliens and why

1324
01:06:40,939 --> 01:06:37,709
they were here and why should we should

1325
01:06:42,739 --> 01:06:40,949
lay down our atomic weapons and so on so

1326
01:06:44,359 --> 01:06:42,749
in other words the reason why I talked

1327
01:06:45,949 --> 01:06:44,369
about this in the first chapter in the

1328
01:06:48,439 --> 01:06:45,959
book because it acts as sort of like a

1329
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:48,449
precedent for what came in the sixties

1330
01:06:52,579 --> 01:06:50,910
you know already in the fifties the

1331
01:06:55,279 --> 01:06:52,589
government was watching people who

1332
01:06:57,860 --> 01:06:55,289
claimed face to face face to face alien

1333
01:07:00,320 --> 01:06:57,870
contact so it made even more so

1334
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:00,330
that when people reported being

1335
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:04,290
kidnapped and you know their minds wiped

1336
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:06,870
their memories wiped you can then say

1337
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,330
why it made a great deal of sense that

1338
01:07:15,050 --> 01:07:12,720
they would continue the the surveillance

1339
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:15,060
you know when he went from the contactee

1340
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:19,350
arena to the abduction arena what was

1341
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:24,420
the period of change you know when when

1342
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:26,850
when did the first I like the way you

1343
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:31,250
say kidnapping right was actually brown

1344
01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:34,200
well I mean it's difficult to say for

1345
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:36,120
sure but what we can say with certainty

1346
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,090
is that the visibility of the abduction

1347
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:41,640
phenomenon phenomenon certainly began

1348
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:45,330
with the Betty and Barney Hill case in

1349
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:49,020
September 1961 and the reason being the

1350
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:53,730
the story got out and John fuller wrote

1351
01:07:59,210 --> 01:07:56,550
a book all the interrupted journey all

1352
01:08:01,850 --> 01:07:59,220
about Betty and Barney as Betty and

1353
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:01,860
Barney Hills case now it's important

1354
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:05,990
that that case was seen as the first

1355
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:08,910
abduction case but if you look at the

1356
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,920
history of it now it really wasn't the

1357
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:13,440
first case what it was it was the first

1358
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:16,440
one the first abduction case really that

1359
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:18,990
was accepted by the UFO research

1360
01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:21,480
community and that also caught the

1361
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:24,030
attention of the media and the general

1362
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:27,390
public as well but in later years people

1363
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:28,980
have said you know well my grandmother

1364
01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:31,230
my grandfather had an experience back in

1365
01:08:35,900 --> 01:08:33,720
the 1920s so you know we can push the

1366
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:35,910
barriers back a long way but when he

1367
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:39,210
started to be spoken about publicly was

1368
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:42,030
the early 60s now there were still some

1369
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:44,370
contactees around and there are still

1370
01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:47,310
some around to this day but there's no

1371
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:49,350
doubt that the abduction phenomenon

1372
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:52,500
quickly eclipsed the the contactee

1373
01:08:57,830 --> 01:08:55,350
phenomenon and for a lot of people you

1374
01:09:01,040 --> 01:08:57,840
know evening ufology the contactee

1375
01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:01,050
movement was seen as like as a redundant

1376
01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:05,550
quaint kind of you know coltish type

1377
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:08,160
societies or whatever which actually

1378
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:10,770
wasn't really the case but it was the

1379
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,250
case

1380
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:13,259
that you know he did become dominated

1381
01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:15,750
and sort of a overwhelmed by the

1382
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:20,540
abduction movement the oh I just got

1383
01:09:27,710 --> 01:09:24,420
this is uh from the UK I'm just gonna do

1384
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:27,720
this as a little favor got a friend over

1385
01:09:33,019 --> 01:09:30,750
in the UK that was got a podcast that

1386
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:33,029
he's doing he lives in Dover actually

1387
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:37,410
and he he wants to know for you who are

1388
01:09:47,539 --> 01:09:43,350
the top British ufologist that that that

1389
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:47,549
should be mentioned good question I

1390
01:09:52,039 --> 01:09:49,650
would say one of them he's a Gary

1391
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:52,049
Heseltine Gary's a retired police

1392
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:55,290
officer and he puts a conference on in

1393
01:10:01,190 --> 01:09:57,650
England every year and I would say

1394
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:01,200
Gary's definitely one of the lady ones

1395
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,690
because you know he's a background in in

1396
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,460
the police force you know he's grounded

1397
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:07,860
and he knows how to interview people and

1398
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:11,520
chase down mysteries but also he's

1399
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:13,590
someone who's done a really good job of

1400
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:16,850
collecting and filing and collating

1401
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:20,490
reports of police officer police officer

1402
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:23,130
based cases and so as a police officer

1403
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:25,170
officer himself you know he's had a lot

1404
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:29,100
of input from colleagues and so on so I

1405
01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:31,890
think you know that aspect alone of the

1406
01:10:37,670 --> 01:10:34,380
phenomenon you know Gary's done a really

1407
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:37,680
good job of kind of you know addressing

1408
01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:41,460
this particular angle his name is Jimmy

1409
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:45,270
and his son Micah they do this podcast

1410
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:49,140
and his son is like eight years old just

1411
01:10:58,820 --> 01:10:53,610
a spot on his game Nick spot on his game

1412
01:11:00,590 --> 01:10:58,830
you should yeah you know he's called

1413
01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:00,600
into the show a few times I gotta tell

1414
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:04,200
you he's a sharp sharp he's got a big

1415
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:07,500
future in this community so yeah keep

1416
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:10,380
your eyes peeled for that now I want to

1417
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:13,890
go back actually to Adamski for a moment

1418
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:17,040
to have a 300-page not a damn ski I'm

1419
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:20,310
sorry Van Tassel yeah to have a 300 page

1420
01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:23,470
dossier by the FBI they're not going to

1421
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:25,030
do that because you're an interesting

1422
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:27,310
dude looking to do that because you've

1423
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:29,950
got something that they are that they

1424
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:33,070
need you know and why 300 pages on Van

1425
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:35,170
Tassel who I think you know and I'm

1426
01:11:38,820 --> 01:11:36,490
gonna say something else I'm glad that

1427
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:38,830
you not only bring up Van Tassel in the

1428
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:42,850
book and George Van Tassel in a large

1429
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:46,420
cent has is not of note in the UFO

1430
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,390
community you've got to go and dig or or

1431
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:51,760
be seriously interested in the subject

1432
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:55,300
to go and and get into George Van Tassel

1433
01:11:59,790 --> 01:11:56,710
I think he's one of the most fascinating

1434
01:12:03,240 --> 01:11:59,800
aspects of all of you follow gee why

1435
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:03,250
would the FBI have such an interest in

1436
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:06,670
him well yeah I mean it's important to

1437
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:08,470
know you made a good point there Jimmy

1438
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:09,940
when you said most people in ufology

1439
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:13,150
today don't know about George on sasol

1440
01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:15,400
now that's very true you know back in

1441
01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:17,620
the 50s there was so many people in the

1442
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:20,200
contactee movement and they were you

1443
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:22,930
know really big names but time went by

1444
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:24,340
people forgot them

1445
01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:26,710
they got elbowed you know out of the

1446
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,230
picture by the abduction movements and

1447
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:32,080
things like Roswell in area 51 and it

1448
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:34,690
became sort of like a part of forgotten

1449
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:37,690
ufology but back in the 50s you know the

1450
01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:40,450
contactee issue was the dominating one

1451
01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:44,020
files on Van Tassel's show that on three

1452
01:12:50,460 --> 01:12:46,990
occasions they visited him at his home

1453
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,470
and also sat in the audience at a number

1454
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:52,960
of his lectures and conferences and made

1455
01:13:00,300 --> 01:12:58,090
notes etc and the you know the the

1456
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:00,310
approach was not you know poking fun at

1457
01:13:05,250 --> 01:13:02,860
him or anything like this or suggesting

1458
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:05,260
he was a liar they were asking questions

1459
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:07,570
about you know tell us what happened in

1460
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:09,730
your encounter you know where did he

1461
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:12,250
happen what time of the night or day you

1462
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:14,350
know what did the the creatures or the

1463
01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:16,210
aliens look like what did their craft

1464
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:18,040
look like and though particularly

1465
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:20,350
interested as the fall show in his

1466
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:22,990
beliefs about religion for example he

1467
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,780
believed that the legend or the story of

1468
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:28,480
Noah's Ark he believed that Noah's Ark

1469
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:31,750
was one of many arks with which were

1470
01:13:36,340 --> 01:13:34,780
actually space arks and he believed or

1471
01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:36,350
he was told but suppose

1472
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:39,860
by he's his alien friends that the the

1473
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,330
story of the Great Flood occurred but he

1474
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:47,360
was told that the B ark that was a

1475
01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:50,270
distorted story based upon numerous

1476
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,740
space arks taking animals and people who

1477
01:13:58,510 --> 01:13:56,480
could survive the flood and men can be

1478
01:14:02,130 --> 01:13:58,520
deposited back back on the planet we're

1479
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:02,140
sort of a turmoil was all over he also

1480
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:05,330
said that the Star of Bethlehem was a

1481
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:09,890
UFO and Ezekiel's whale was also a

1482
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:12,170
flying saucer and all of this was sort

1483
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:15,770
of very soberly written in the FBI's

1484
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:18,830
files and you know they they took a deep

1485
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,370
interest even to the extent as far as

1486
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:25,040
late as the 1960s sitting in the you

1487
01:14:31,060 --> 01:14:27,110
know in the audience's at his lectures

1488
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:31,070
and carefully noting just about every

1489
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:33,380
claim and theory that you know he was

1490
01:14:38,710 --> 01:14:37,310
sharing with his audiences so so in

1491
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:38,720
other words you know when you read the

1492
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:40,610
files it's not like they're talking

1493
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:44,390
about the contactees as crazy people who

1494
01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:46,850
need to be watched you know for

1495
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,020
everybody's safety it was it was just

1496
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:52,640
straightforward questions tell us what

1497
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:55,370
you saw how you felt what did the craft

1498
01:15:00,880 --> 01:14:58,010
look like and so on and of course Van

1499
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:00,890
Tassel he's noted for his integratron

1500
01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:02,810
which is out at Landers in the

1501
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:05,860
California desert the integra being this

1502
01:15:11,890 --> 01:15:08,690
two-story circular building which

1503
01:15:15,970 --> 01:15:11,900
according to Van Tassel had he finished

1504
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:15,980
it would provide like an extensive

1505
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:18,850
lifespan or even as he felt one day

1506
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:22,340
immortality but you know the secret died

1507
01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:25,370
with him unfortunately but he was a

1508
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:28,070
fascinating character and you know he

1509
01:15:32,530 --> 01:15:30,520
was sort of a major player in 1950s

1510
01:15:36,460 --> 01:15:32,540
ufology I mean just to give you an

1511
01:15:39,130 --> 01:15:36,470
example of how popular Van Tassel was

1512
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:39,140
and how he kind of eclipsed Steven

1513
01:15:44,890 --> 01:15:41,330
today's ufology he would put on an

1514
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:44,900
outdoor outdoor conference or festival

1515
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:47,360
if you like every summer throughout the

1516
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:47,679
few

1517
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:51,360
is and at its height that festival

1518
01:15:57,090 --> 01:15:54,489
attracted around about 12,000 people a

1519
01:15:59,610 --> 01:15:57,100
year to help you you go to conferences

1520
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,620
now you'll get like 3 or 400 people in

1521
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:01,360
the audience which is quite respectable

1522
01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:04,630
but 12,000 just blows out the window you

1523
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:07,239
know anything from today really yeah you

1524
01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:08,290
go and you look at those old

1525
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:11,260
black-and-white films of his festival

1526
01:16:16,590 --> 01:16:13,270
out there 15 you know like you just had

1527
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,600
12,000 15,000 think about that for a

1528
01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:18,840
second just put that in perspective

1529
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:20,830
absolutely incredible and there was one

1530
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:25,750
other thing that Van Tassel in it he did

1531
01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:28,270
this a sensational sit-down interview

1532
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:31,150
that you can find online for television

1533
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:34,690
and in that interview he discloses and

1534
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:37,540
this is fascinating to me that he built

1535
01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:41,140
a time machine in downtown Santa Monica

1536
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:43,390
California right and he talks about he

1537
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:47,230
gives up a location and he says that his

1538
01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:50,219
friends his et friends gave him a

1539
01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:53,020
formula I don't have it in front of me

1540
01:16:59,370 --> 01:16:54,820
right now but gave him a formula to

1541
01:17:01,439 --> 01:16:59,380
record time up to seven years in the

1542
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:01,449
past and he and and he built this

1543
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:03,550
machine to do it in a building in

1544
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:07,449
downtown Santa Monica I and and it Nick

1545
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:11,020
for me yeah it's a that's a pretty good

1546
01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:12,670
revelation it's a pretty good thing to

1547
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:14,580
say never but he it's he's so

1548
01:17:22,830 --> 01:17:18,640
matter-of-fact about it right he he he

1549
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:22,840
just spoke as as straightforward as

1550
01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:24,370
anybody else that you could think of

1551
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:26,860
like the guy next door and it's it's

1552
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:29,380
George Van Tassel talking about ETS in

1553
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,210
the formula in a time machine in the

1554
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:33,520
building that he built in downtown Santa

1555
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:36,250
Monica it's incredible but today nobody

1556
01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:39,580
knows about George Van Tassel in ufology

1557
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,670
he should be spoken about every day well

1558
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:44,080
you know it's interesting you should say

1559
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:47,860
that because one of the reasons why Van

1560
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,800
Tassel was watched was despite the fact

1561
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:52,719
that a lot of his claims were extremely

1562
01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:55,330
controversial he actually for a long

1563
01:18:01,160 --> 01:17:58,830
time worked out at Hughes Aircraft

1564
01:18:03,230 --> 01:18:01,170
and it was actually close friends with

1565
01:18:04,340 --> 01:18:03,240
Howard Hughes they literally were close

1566
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:04,350
friends you know they would have dinner

1567
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,320
together with his wife and Van Tassel's

1568
01:18:13,190 --> 01:18:10,560
wife and of course Howard Hughes you

1569
01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:13,200
know huge aircraft was a company that

1570
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:14,940
was heavily you know tied to the

1571
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:17,250
military and doing you know work for the

1572
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:20,490
military but also you know Howard Hughes

1573
01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:23,610
had ties to the CIA as well so in other

1574
01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:24,990
words it was the threads and the

1575
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:27,870
connections that Van Tassel had like

1576
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:30,960
Howard Hughes that also placed him under

1577
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:33,300
surveillance because this was someone

1578
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:35,400
who was you know plugged into the world

1579
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:38,850
of US military aviation and all sorts of

1580
01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:41,760
facilities Howard Hughes would fly out

1581
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:45,900
at night to Van Tassel's airstrip and

1582
01:18:59,660 --> 01:18:56,450
mrs. Van Tassel maybe sort of great

1583
01:19:01,190 --> 01:18:59,670
through pies which Howard Hughes kind of

1584
01:19:04,670 --> 01:19:01,200
got addicted to and so whatever he could

1585
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:04,680
fly out because Van Tassel actually

1586
01:19:11,420 --> 01:19:08,130
built like an air strip for planes to

1587
01:19:14,330 --> 01:19:11,430
come in and land near to the integratron

1588
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:14,340
and yes you would cook pie froth for

1589
01:19:19,580 --> 01:19:15,420
them all and they would sit around

1590
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:19,590
talking about UFOs yeah yeah man don't

1591
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:22,130
you have a time machine I mean how good

1592
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:25,560
you know what I would listen to Van

1593
01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:27,420
Tassel tell these stories you know we're

1594
01:19:33,170 --> 01:19:30,420
sitting around giant rock Howard wings

1595
01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:33,180
in you know and I turn to my wife is the

1596
01:19:39,650 --> 01:19:37,200
pie fresh as a trash he's just gotta

1597
01:19:40,730 --> 01:19:39,660
love it kind of like it's like twin

1598
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:40,740
peaks' you know when they're always

1599
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:42,540
talking about the pie you know cherry

1600
01:19:52,060 --> 01:19:49,140
pie and the coffee right bad spicy apple

1601
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:52,070
pies according to one of our to uh

1602
01:20:00,740 --> 01:19:56,490
Twitter's right there IPD now okay this

1603
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:00,750
is when did as you start to research

1604
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:03,480
this when did things like take the

1605
01:20:10,670 --> 01:20:08,460
sinister turn because look with Betty

1606
01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:10,680
and Barney Hill and his regression and

1607
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:11,950
you listen to

1608
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:15,730
the trauma of the tapes of that okay

1609
01:20:18,210 --> 01:20:17,470
yeah it was though it was pretty

1610
01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:18,220
traumatic

1611
01:20:22,260 --> 01:20:20,350
but things definitely started to take a

1612
01:20:26,670 --> 01:20:22,270
sinister turn when did that start to

1613
01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:26,680
happen well certainly the the concept a

1614
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:28,660
movement had was at its height from sort

1615
01:20:33,780 --> 01:20:32,170
about 52 to about 58 it started to sort

1616
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:33,790
of trail off a little bit but didn't

1617
01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:36,190
never went away completely but certainly

1618
01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:38,830
the late fifties he started to fade away

1619
01:20:44,220 --> 01:20:41,500
and people predominantly focused on just

1620
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:44,230
UFO sightings and reports you know

1621
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,530
objects in the sky now the the Betty and

1622
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:49,360
Barney Hill case the people don't know

1623
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:52,270
September 61 they returned him from a

1624
01:20:58,800 --> 01:20:56,560
vacation in Canada and on the time back

1625
01:21:02,220 --> 01:20:58,810
or on the journey back I should say that

1626
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,230
appeared of missing time and they knew

1627
01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:04,000
something weird it happened they even

1628
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:05,980
knew something weird was going on at the

1629
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:07,570
time they were seen this thing in the

1630
01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:10,750
sky and you know they could never get

1631
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:12,430
more and more traumatized and worried

1632
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:14,430
that he seemed to be following them and

1633
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:17,110
they got back home and found that there

1634
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:19,300
was like a period of missing time they

1635
01:21:25,020 --> 01:21:22,450
started to have nightmares and sort of

1636
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:25,030
frantic dreams over the next days and

1637
01:21:30,330 --> 01:21:27,850
weeks of being taken on board this craft

1638
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:30,340
and sort of subjected to like a like a

1639
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:33,150
lab animal that kind of thing and and

1640
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:36,510
sort of genetic issues as well

1641
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,370
reproduction aspects to the to the

1642
01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:41,920
experiments and saw these strange

1643
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:44,440
creatures which they weren't described

1644
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:45,970
as a lot of people think like the

1645
01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:48,880
classic greys aliens of today they were

1646
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:51,190
shorter than normal and they had these

1647
01:21:57,690 --> 01:21:53,170
penetrating eyes but they were sort of

1648
01:22:00,420 --> 01:21:57,700
more humanoid and they suffered quite

1649
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:00,430
greatly with nightmares and you know

1650
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:02,680
things like this and Barney even

1651
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:05,950
developed stomach ulcers and they're

1652
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,590
eventually persuaded to to go and see

1653
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:10,000
you know someone to trot like a

1654
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:12,070
psychiatrist to see they could be helped

1655
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:14,620
and it turned out that there was like a

1656
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:17,560
connection between the Air Force and one

1657
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:19,960
of the psychiatrists which may actually

1658
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:22,390
not have been a coincidence some people

1659
01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:24,489
think that you know they be

1660
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:27,159
may actually wanted to get in on the

1661
01:22:33,239 --> 01:22:30,610
case you know and and then John fuller

1662
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:33,249
who was an author saw this being a great

1663
01:22:39,299 --> 01:22:36,030
story rock you know wrote their story

1664
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:39,309
got you know permission and their

1665
01:22:43,799 --> 01:22:41,590
confidence to write the story and the

1666
01:22:46,649 --> 01:22:43,809
interrupted journey was like a huge

1667
01:22:49,739 --> 01:22:46,659
selling book so it was really early to

1668
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:49,749
mid 60's that things began to go from

1669
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,030
being benevolent benevolent space

1670
01:22:56,989 --> 01:22:54,400
brothers talking to us out in the desert

1671
01:22:59,939 --> 01:22:56,999
to these creepy little characters

1672
01:23:03,989 --> 01:22:59,949
kidnapping people and doing all sorts of

1673
01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:03,999
experiments on them and and really from

1674
01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:05,949
the mid sixties onwards the abduction

1675
01:23:11,819 --> 01:23:08,260
angle was sort of a dominating factor

1676
01:23:14,910 --> 01:23:11,829
when it came to case UFO cases involving

1677
01:23:19,020 --> 01:23:14,920
entities now and we're gonna discuss

1678
01:23:22,830 --> 01:23:19,030
this more as the evening goes on but

1679
01:23:26,549 --> 01:23:22,840
there's another twist to the abduction

1680
01:23:30,209 --> 01:23:26,559
phenomenon that you discuss at length in

1681
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:30,219
the book which is the MyLab situation

1682
01:23:36,419 --> 01:23:32,920
and also you discuss who are the

1683
01:23:40,589 --> 01:23:36,429
abductors so we have we have two things

1684
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:40,599
that seem to be going on here and I have

1685
01:23:47,989 --> 01:23:45,190
asked a lot of abductees is there a

1686
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:47,999
possibility that this could be

1687
01:23:53,459 --> 01:23:50,590
terrestrial right could this be us that

1688
01:23:56,729 --> 01:23:53,469
are you know staging these abductions to

1689
01:24:00,479 --> 01:23:56,739
make them seem like it's its et which is

1690
01:24:04,589 --> 01:24:00,489
to me Nick is just as sinister as if

1691
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:04,599
it's et so let's discuss that for a

1692
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:06,010
second and we'll get a little bit deeper

1693
01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:09,010
after the break but how many of these

1694
01:24:16,799 --> 01:24:14,380
could be us our own air force well well

1695
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:16,809
I don't I would say to the air force but

1696
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:19,590
so there are cases on record where

1697
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:23,650
people claims have been abducted and you

1698
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:24,670
know as if they're under some sort of

1699
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:27,010
mind control hypnotism that kind of

1700
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,800
thing that them their mind is not normal

1701
01:24:33,589 --> 01:24:31,840
you know they feel sort of spaced out

1702
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:33,599
almost if they've been drugged and

1703
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:36,880
they've been taking on board a UFO now

1704
01:24:39,050 --> 01:24:37,500
there are few

1705
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:39,060
cases and graduate they are a few

1706
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:41,400
they're not sort of anywhere near the

1707
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:43,850
number of what I guess you would call

1708
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:45,330
regular

1709
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:47,550
alien functions in such a thing as a

1710
01:24:54,860 --> 01:24:51,540
regular alien abduction but in the sort

1711
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:54,870
of smaller numbers of cases people of

1712
01:25:00,500 --> 01:24:56,760
claims have sort of come out of this

1713
01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:00,510
haze and suddenly the so-called alien

1714
01:25:06,290 --> 01:25:03,270
greys turn out to be sort of six foot

1715
01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:06,300
tall burly military guys in black like

1716
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:09,240
SWAT since that kind of thing and this

1717
01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:11,730
has given rise to a theory that perhaps

1718
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,360
in a small number of cases that

1719
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:17,520
mind-altering technology has been used

1720
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:22,370
not necessarily directly through issues

1721
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:24,750
relating to the UFO phenomenon but

1722
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,750
basically trying to determine hey you

1723
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:30,000
know if we can make people believe with

1724
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:32,010
their seen aliens we can make them

1725
01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:33,600
believe they're seeing anything that was

1726
01:25:38,150 --> 01:25:35,700
kind of the approach in other words it

1727
01:25:41,660 --> 01:25:38,160
was allegedly the the stories are borne

1728
01:25:43,670 --> 01:25:41,670
out of the MKULTRA program of the CIA in

1729
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:43,680
the 50s which is the sort of

1730
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:47,310
predominance mind-control project of the

1731
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:48,930
CIA in the fifties and one of the

1732
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:52,410
theories is that the you know the CIA

1733
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:55,110
knew there were genuine abductions but

1734
01:26:01,640 --> 01:25:58,370
they realized that they could also use

1735
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:01,650
the alien abduction phenomenon sort of a

1736
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:04,970
cover to test their own technologies on

1737
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:09,060
unwitting victims and to use the UFO

1738
01:26:14,690 --> 01:26:12,690
phenomenon as a way of gauging how

1739
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:14,700
successful this mind-control technology

1740
01:26:20,570 --> 01:26:18,870
and substances and cocktails might be so

1741
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:20,580
you know this is where it gets really

1742
01:26:25,670 --> 01:26:23,340
confusing in the sense that we have what

1743
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:25,680
I believe our genuine abduction

1744
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:28,710
experiences and then you have people in

1745
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:31,890
the intelligence community using my

1746
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,530
don't mind altering technologies to try

1747
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:36,960
and determine if they can fabricate you

1748
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:40,380
UFO events really to see how successful

1749
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:42,450
and powerful you know these

1750
01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:45,540
mind-altering technologies can really be

1751
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:48,300
so that makes it you know extremely

1752
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:50,760
complicated to try and figure out

1753
01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:54,300
which abductions are ours on which is

1754
01:26:58,370 --> 01:26:55,800
somebody else's and it's interesting

1755
01:27:01,489 --> 01:26:58,380
that that scenario was also touched upon

1756
01:27:04,449 --> 01:27:01,499
in the x-files on a number of occasions

1757
01:27:06,649 --> 01:27:04,459
where you had real abductions and

1758
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:06,659
fabricated abductions as well

1759
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:11,070
it's how sinister is that right we're

1760
01:27:16,569 --> 01:27:12,900
supposed to have our government here to

1761
01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:16,579
protect us but we have what I think are

1762
01:27:23,449 --> 01:27:20,550
numerous credible reports of our

1763
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,459
government being involved in this and in

1764
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:26,280
some cases Nick working side by side

1765
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:31,170
with odd with aliens and et well when

1766
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:32,610
you separate the government because one

1767
01:27:37,759 --> 01:27:36,209
of the things I found out or concluded

1768
01:27:41,049 --> 01:27:37,769
during a lot of the research for the

1769
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:41,059
book is that it seems that most of the

1770
01:27:45,979 --> 01:27:43,050
departments offices however you want to

1771
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:45,989
term them that are doing this abduction

1772
01:27:52,609 --> 01:27:48,300
research and possibly the fabricating

1773
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:52,619
side as well don't seem to be from the

1774
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:55,110
government per se as we understand it it

1775
01:28:00,109 --> 01:27:56,940
seems to be but they're sort of like

1776
01:28:03,410 --> 01:28:00,119
black budget funded organizations that

1777
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:03,420
actually operate outside of the

1778
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:05,249
government itself other in other words

1779
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:07,170
we're talking about black programs that

1780
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:09,690
are buried so deeply there and which are

1781
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:12,510
funded from outside sources that they're

1782
01:28:17,620 --> 01:28:15,510
even the government isn't aware of them

1783
01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:17,630
which is you know gets into really

1784
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:20,340
controversial and confusing areas when

1785
01:28:26,689 --> 01:28:23,610
these organizations operate outside of

1786
01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:26,699
governments but they're so powerful and

1787
01:28:31,939 --> 01:28:29,159
buried so deeply that the elected

1788
01:28:34,489 --> 01:28:31,949
government and the agencies like Air

1789
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:34,499
Force intelligence CIA et cetera may

1790
01:28:38,839 --> 01:28:37,289
actually not know who's doing this you

1791
01:28:40,939 --> 01:28:38,849
know it's like they're buried so deep

1792
01:28:43,549 --> 01:28:40,949
but even the people we assume would know

1793
01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:43,559
are actually out of the loop let's take

1794
01:28:47,870 --> 01:28:45,780
a break right here our guest tonight is

1795
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:47,880
Nick Redfern we are talking about his

1796
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new book I've got it right here hold it

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1799
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what the government doesn't want you to

1800
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know I'm your host Jimmy Church follow

1801
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1803
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01:32:51,459 --> 01:32:49,400
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1881
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listening to Jaime Church this is a

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01:33:47,090 --> 01:33:44,859
welcome back I'm the host Amy Church

1886
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:47,100
fade to black our guest tonight Nick

1887
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:49,710
Redfern and yes we're talking about his

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01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:51,810
new book top-secret alien abduction

1889
01:33:56,330 --> 01:33:53,580
files what the government doesn't want

1890
01:33:58,340 --> 01:33:56,340
you to know and it is an excellent book

1891
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:58,350
I recommend it and we're gonna be

1892
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,520
talking about it for the rest of the

1893
01:34:04,970 --> 01:34:01,679
night and Nick I don't I don't know why

1894
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:04,980
and it's weird when I think about you I

1895
01:34:17,419 --> 01:34:14,730
think about blister in the Sun I don't

1896
01:34:20,090 --> 01:34:17,429
know it's a weird thing okay I just

1897
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:20,100
admitted it I've gone public

1898
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:23,600
Darin from the UK who's a fan of yours

1899
01:34:31,490 --> 01:34:27,530
wants to ask you this he says he's from

1900
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:31,500
Kanak UK do you know where that is it's

1901
01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:33,679
about five miles from where I grew up

1902
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:37,860
okay he says he had a black triangle

1903
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:40,170
encounter lasting 15 minutes driving

1904
01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:43,710
through Wales in 1988 to 1990 later

1905
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:46,980
discovered a UFO group in rudely town

1906
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:51,330
where's rudely that's just a couple of

1907
01:34:57,709 --> 01:34:54,360
miles from Canada okay this is your

1908
01:35:01,070 --> 01:34:57,719
hometown and he said that so he went to

1909
01:35:04,370 --> 01:35:01,080
this UFO group and Irene Bhat was there

1910
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:04,380
and he reported his encounter to her he

1911
01:35:09,250 --> 01:35:06,239
wants to know or where she is today

1912
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:09,260
where is Irene Bhat do you know I

1913
01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:13,440
actually I knew Irene well she used to

1914
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:15,960
run the Staffordshire UFO group for

1915
01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:20,520
about threats five years and and then

1916
01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:22,739
she retired from it and handed it over

1917
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:25,230
to a colleague of hers Graham Allen she

1918
01:35:30,140 --> 01:35:28,110
just felt she had gone as far as she she

1919
01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:30,150
wanted to go you know she felt she'd you

1920
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:32,070
know got a lot of answers to the subject

1921
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,050
a lot of good cases and made a great

1922
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:37,260
deal of advances but you know she also

1923
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,300
had a job etc and and so she she retired

1924
01:35:46,459 --> 01:35:44,159
or resigned from the group and then

1925
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,469
Graham took over but I don't think the

1926
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:48,719
group is in existence anymore I think it

1927
01:35:53,709 --> 01:35:51,630
closed down about ten years ago maybe

1928
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:53,719
something like that you know

1929
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,210
the easiest thing really to sort of run

1930
01:36:01,779 --> 01:35:58,400
a monthly grope you know for conferences

1931
01:36:04,270 --> 01:36:01,789
on in lectures and as a lot of people

1932
01:36:06,819 --> 01:36:04,280
who I know when you and they get when

1933
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:06,829
they put groups together it isn't the

1934
01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:10,400
easiest thing to do every month so yeah

1935
01:36:15,549 --> 01:36:13,369
the group unfortunately closed down and

1936
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:15,559
I'm not I'm not really sure you know

1937
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:17,360
what they're doing now other than that

1938
01:36:22,270 --> 01:36:19,570
it's close but I'm not I don't think

1939
01:36:24,549 --> 01:36:22,280
she's involved in the UFO subjects

1940
01:36:27,569 --> 01:36:24,559
anymore though and it isn't the internet

1941
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:27,579
great to have this kind of connection

1942
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:30,110
just like this immediately you know

1943
01:36:34,810 --> 01:36:32,719
Kanak UK it's wouldn't you grow up it's

1944
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:34,820
a small world man isn't it it's getting

1945
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:40,159
smaller getting smaller where I had one

1946
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:42,650
other question I'll get back to Twitter

1947
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:45,679
here in a second everybody I I promise

1948
01:36:54,069 --> 01:36:50,449
you that going back to the picking up

1949
01:36:57,069 --> 01:36:54,079
where we left off the there's one

1950
01:36:58,419 --> 01:36:57,079
encounter one abduction in the book well

1951
01:37:02,339 --> 01:36:58,429
there's a bunch that I've never heard of

1952
01:37:05,950 --> 01:37:02,349
but it was the one with a Jenny Randall

1953
01:37:08,830 --> 01:37:05,960
the the more encounter I want to stay

1954
01:37:12,759 --> 01:37:08,840
stay over in the UK for a second that

1955
01:37:15,819 --> 01:37:12,769
that is an unbelievable case I'd never

1956
01:37:17,859 --> 01:37:15,829
heard of it tell us about it oh yeah

1957
01:37:22,299 --> 01:37:17,869
well the one you're talking about goes

1958
01:37:26,379 --> 01:37:22,309
back to 1987 and a large area of

1959
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,389
moorland in the north of England and one

1960
01:37:32,979 --> 01:37:28,880
particular morning a guy was walking

1961
01:37:34,959 --> 01:37:32,989
across the moor and saw this like I keep

1962
01:37:37,299 --> 01:37:34,969
analogy score he kind of described was

1963
01:37:39,029 --> 01:37:37,309
like a goblin type creature running

1964
01:37:42,069 --> 01:37:39,039
across the world like a like a small

1965
01:37:44,469 --> 01:37:42,079
humanoid type figure moving quite

1966
01:37:46,689 --> 01:37:44,479
quickly and he was just sort of frozen

1967
01:37:49,089 --> 01:37:46,699
to the spot you know as most people

1968
01:37:50,799 --> 01:37:49,099
probably would be you know in a sort of

1969
01:37:52,930 --> 01:37:50,809
8 o'clock in the morning you know

1970
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:52,940
crossing the foggy moors in England and

1971
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,340
you see this strange humanoid figure

1972
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:57,920
well he actually managed to snip a

1973
01:38:07,370 --> 01:38:00,880
photograph of it and which you can find

1974
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:07,380
online and the the witness left the area

1975
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:10,409
went back down to the to the below lands

1976
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:12,810
and the local village and realized that

1977
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:15,090
he was missing a significant amount of

1978
01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:19,250
time which he could not account for now

1979
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:21,659
from there he got really weird because

1980
01:38:26,350 --> 01:38:24,150
just like Betty and Barney Hill he began

1981
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:26,360
to have weird dreams and nightmares

1982
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:29,400
particularly like nuclear war and like

1983
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,250
an apocalypse that kind of thing as a

1984
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:34,560
lot of abductees do report that kind of

1985
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:38,090
thing and now it would have remained

1986
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:41,010
just as like a you know an encounter

1987
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:43,500
with an entity and then the creature was

1988
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:46,920
gone but as he sort of dug into the

1989
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:50,520
story forever hypnosis it turned out but

1990
01:38:55,340 --> 01:38:52,980
he was taken on board this craft and

1991
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,350
basically you know had the same such a

1992
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:57,840
scenario that a lot of other people

1993
01:39:03,410 --> 01:39:00,480
report namely you know you take it on

1994
01:39:07,610 --> 01:39:03,420
board the craft medical experiments and

1995
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:07,620
so on he got even weirder when he said

1996
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:10,170
that late one night there was a knock on

1997
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:13,020
the door and two men identified

1998
01:39:18,020 --> 01:39:16,170
themselves as working for the British

1999
01:39:20,300 --> 01:39:18,030
Ministry of Defence and they wanted to

2000
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,310
speak to speak to him about his

2001
01:39:25,310 --> 01:39:23,280
experience and the weird thing was that

2002
01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:25,320
he hadn't from a couple of UFO

2003
01:39:30,110 --> 01:39:28,260
researchers he hadn't told anybody about

2004
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:30,120
this experience never mind you know

2005
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:33,510
share his name and address etc but these

2006
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:35,940
two men who called themselves Jefferson

2007
01:39:40,610 --> 01:39:39,510
and Davis although they claimed to be

2008
01:39:43,820 --> 01:39:40,620
from the British Ministry of Defence

2009
01:39:47,570 --> 01:39:43,830
they sounded far more like the classic

2010
01:39:50,419 --> 01:39:47,580
men in black you know that who sort of

2011
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:50,429
look vaguely government like but you

2012
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:52,050
know there's always some weird aspects

2013
01:39:57,979 --> 01:39:55,110
to the story and and that was certainly

2014
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:57,989
the case in this experience you know

2015
01:40:03,919 --> 01:40:01,920
they allegedly flashed mo D ID cards but

2016
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:03,929
there was something about them that just

2017
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:05,940
didn't seem right almost if they weren't

2018
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:10,080
even fully human but they essentially

2019
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:12,270
you know warned him not to talk about

2020
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:16,080
the experience and the thrust of the

2021
01:40:20,570 --> 01:40:18,690
interrogation if you like was to try and

2022
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:20,580
for them to try and get the phone

2023
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:25,080
that he'd snapped and fortunately it

2024
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,290
actually been handed over to a local UFO

2025
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:30,480
researcher so he didn't even have it

2026
01:40:34,340 --> 01:40:32,010
anymore but what's interesting is the

2027
01:40:36,980 --> 01:40:34,350
witness who preferred not to have his

2028
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:36,990
name revealed to Jerry Randall's and

2029
01:40:41,480 --> 01:40:38,790
another researcher named Arthur

2030
01:40:43,700 --> 01:40:41,490
Tomlinson it was investigating it but he

2031
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:43,710
they were able to prove that he actually

2032
01:40:48,050 --> 01:40:46,380
was a serving police officer which was

2033
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:48,060
one of the reasons why he was reluctant

2034
01:40:53,660 --> 01:40:51,810
to go public with the storing Alma

2035
01:40:56,510 --> 01:40:53,670
security with his name but he was

2036
01:40:59,600 --> 01:40:56,520
willing to share the story now

2037
01:41:02,420 --> 01:40:59,610
interestingly enough Irene Irene Bartow

2038
01:41:06,250 --> 01:41:02,430
the the questioner from England brought

2039
01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:06,260
up she actually had Arthur Tomlinson

2040
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:09,120
speak at one of her lectures once and

2041
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:11,030
the arthur was one of the guys who

2042
01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:14,810
investigated this case very closely and

2043
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:17,880
when he spoke at the Staffordshire UFO

2044
01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:20,940
group round about 1998 I had a chat with

2045
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:23,160
him and told me I was interested in this

2046
01:41:27,620 --> 01:41:25,350
case and he actually shared with me the

2047
01:41:30,860 --> 01:41:27,630
real name of the police officer which I

2048
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:30,870
agreed not to supporting the public

2049
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:32,730
domain and you know his name is still

2050
01:41:38,450 --> 01:41:34,290
not being put in the public domain but

2051
01:41:41,150 --> 01:41:38,460
he's ears so he claims to be and but it

2052
01:41:43,930 --> 01:41:41,160
was such a weird scenario you know of

2053
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:43,940
him seeing this craft having this

2054
01:41:48,980 --> 01:41:46,320
experience and these two weird

2055
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:48,990
characters in black turn up when he

2056
01:41:53,230 --> 01:41:50,970
hadn't even told anybody about the

2057
01:41:55,580 --> 01:41:53,240
encounter apart from a couple of

2058
01:41:58,270 --> 01:41:55,590
researchers so the big question was how

2059
01:42:01,820 --> 01:41:58,280
on earth did these alleged mo D people

2060
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:01,830
suddenly know where to go to grill this

2061
01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:05,040
poor guy about his UFO encounters yeah

2062
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:07,320
in the book when you talk about his real

2063
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:10,020
name I kept waiting for it kept turning

2064
01:42:17,930 --> 01:42:13,560
pages right but you didn't do it and and

2065
01:42:21,530 --> 01:42:17,940
you showed that respect let's let's go

2066
01:42:24,860 --> 01:42:21,540
back for a second when we are talking

2067
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:24,870
about so many abduction cases of which

2068
01:42:30,230 --> 01:42:27,690
there's probably millions right there's

2069
01:42:32,460 --> 01:42:30,240
a lot of this going on certainly not

2070
01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:32,470
everybody can be crazy

2071
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:34,450
there's the this is a real phenomenon

2072
01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:37,480
but who was doing it as you've compiled

2073
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:40,840
these these cases and have looked at it

2074
01:42:48,570 --> 01:42:44,800
is it consistently one race of aliens

2075
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:48,580
and an ETS or is it is it across the

2076
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:51,930
board who is doing these abductions well

2077
01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:54,730
predominantly you know in nearly all the

2078
01:42:59,880 --> 01:42:57,940
abduction cases people report seeing the

2079
01:43:02,520 --> 01:42:59,890
sort of classic little greys you know

2080
01:43:06,150 --> 01:43:02,530
the big heads the black eyes sort of

2081
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:06,160
vaguely insect like they are typically

2082
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:09,280
the ones that do the abductions and the

2083
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:11,290
do that medical experiments and so on

2084
01:43:15,810 --> 01:43:13,510
but there are some cases where people

2085
01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:15,820
have said that into the side of the room

2086
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:17,620
sort of looking from you know by the

2087
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:20,050
wall people talked about seeing like a

2088
01:43:27,690 --> 01:43:24,790
like a more spindly insect like like a

2089
01:43:29,730 --> 01:43:27,700
so-called praying mantis type of alien

2090
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:29,740
that said sometimes people report seeing

2091
01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:32,530
those on board the craft as well almost

2092
01:43:37,170 --> 01:43:34,840
as if they're sort of monitoring the

2093
01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:37,180
abduction then you also get in some

2094
01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:40,780
cases so-called reptilian type creatures

2095
01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:43,870
on board as well but there's no doubt

2096
01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:47,020
that the you know the gray type is the

2097
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,660
the overriding one that just about

2098
01:43:55,770 --> 01:43:52,000
everybody talks about what what are they

2099
01:43:57,660 --> 01:43:55,780
doing it for and now we've gotten the

2100
01:44:00,450 --> 01:43:57,670
reports you know going back to Betty and

2101
01:44:02,460 --> 01:44:00,460
Barney Hill and and we mentioned Betty

2102
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:02,470
and Barney so much because it's just so

2103
01:44:08,820 --> 01:44:05,410
well documented the the case with the

2104
01:44:13,170 --> 01:44:08,830
regression and and for them to have such

2105
01:44:14,940 --> 01:44:13,180
a not only a recalled memory but the the

2106
01:44:19,620 --> 01:44:14,950
memory that they had leading up to it

2107
01:44:22,169 --> 01:44:19,630
that wasn't part of an erased mind if

2108
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:22,179
you will but

2109
01:44:28,979 --> 01:44:26,280
but what is the purpose of it we have

2110
01:44:31,649 --> 01:44:28,989
lots of medical things that are going on

2111
01:44:34,739 --> 01:44:31,659
and and other what's them what's the

2112
01:44:37,649 --> 01:44:34,749
reason for it well there are there are

2113
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,659
various theories to explain why these

2114
01:44:41,969 --> 01:44:39,280
things whatever you want to call them

2115
01:44:45,540 --> 01:44:41,979
aliens or multi-dimensional things or

2116
01:44:48,089 --> 01:44:45,550
whatever they are you know when you sort

2117
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:48,099
of look at the field all being the cases

2118
01:44:52,109 --> 01:44:49,630
you know there are different theories

2119
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:52,119
that have been put forward now you have

2120
01:44:57,540 --> 01:44:54,010
the one theory that the the so-called

2121
01:45:03,449 --> 01:44:57,550
greys are on a evolutionary decline and

2122
01:45:06,089 --> 01:45:03,459
so they kind of harvest cells DNA etc to

2123
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:06,099
try and boost their own species and that

2124
01:45:10,739 --> 01:45:08,260
if that's true you know that would

2125
01:45:14,009 --> 01:45:10,749
suggest that we are so close to them

2126
01:45:16,049 --> 01:45:14,019
genetically that they can do that which

2127
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:16,059
suggests maybe some sort of lineage

2128
01:45:21,839 --> 01:45:19,449
between us somehow then you have some of

2129
01:45:24,299 --> 01:45:21,849
the more sinister theories or the

2130
01:45:26,459 --> 01:45:24,309
sinister theory where people talk about

2131
01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:26,469
being implanted with these strange

2132
01:45:32,459 --> 01:45:30,340
little implants under the skin now some

2133
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:32,469
people take the view that this is

2134
01:45:36,270 --> 01:45:34,570
benevolence and that what's going on

2135
01:45:38,759 --> 01:45:36,280
it's you know they're sort of tracking

2136
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:38,769
devices that allow the aliens to track

2137
01:45:44,699 --> 01:45:42,249
the the abductees the more controversial

2138
01:45:46,739 --> 01:45:44,709
theory is that people are being abducted

2139
01:45:48,929 --> 01:45:46,749
with these implants and which will one

2140
01:45:51,899 --> 01:45:48,939
day be switched on and they'll be sort

2141
01:45:53,759 --> 01:45:51,909
of an entire you know body all around

2142
01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:53,769
the world of sort of Manchurian

2143
01:45:59,219 --> 01:45:55,900
candidates switched on to perform

2144
01:46:01,410 --> 01:45:59,229
specific tasks for the aliens you know

2145
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:01,420
and if that's true and I said that's one

2146
01:46:05,459 --> 01:46:03,130
of the theories you know that would be

2147
01:46:07,379 --> 01:46:05,469
quite sinister and disturbing as well

2148
01:46:10,290 --> 01:46:07,389
you know the idea of the flick of a

2149
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:10,300
switch so to speak you know you'd have

2150
01:46:16,339 --> 01:46:14,170
this sort of entire robots off be like

2151
01:46:22,109 --> 01:46:16,349
you know zombie look controlled

2152
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:22,119
abductees you know the if if these are

2153
01:46:28,169 --> 01:46:24,639
happening is frequently as they are

2154
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:28,179
reported it would seem that these

2155
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:30,489
treaties or agreements with our own

2156
01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:32,650
government are real and they

2157
01:46:37,470 --> 01:46:34,840
our government is allowing this

2158
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:37,480
experimentation in these abductions to

2159
01:46:43,020 --> 01:46:39,790
happen I know that you talked about this

2160
01:46:45,450 --> 01:46:43,030
in the book but this is this is we keep

2161
01:46:47,130 --> 01:46:45,460
saying sinister over and over again but

2162
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:47,140
you know it's like holy crap

2163
01:46:53,010 --> 01:46:49,570
right well you know one of the reasons

2164
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,020
why I call it sinister because because

2165
01:46:58,890 --> 01:46:55,360
it actually is sinister you know it's

2166
01:47:03,620 --> 01:46:58,900
like yeah do you think about it

2167
01:47:06,230 --> 01:47:03,630
citizens being sort of kidnapped

2168
01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:06,240
abducted against their will

2169
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:08,980
subjected to medical experiments that we

2170
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:11,920
don't really know the reason for people

2171
01:47:16,830 --> 01:47:14,110
talking about implants and the only

2172
01:47:19,530 --> 01:47:16,840
response we get from the greys is sort

2173
01:47:21,090 --> 01:47:19,540
of like a telly telepathic message don't

2174
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:21,100
worry it's for your own good

2175
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:24,910
well you know that doesn't really sort

2176
01:47:32,850 --> 01:47:29,260
of give me a great deal of you know warm

2177
01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:32,860
for him before he really idea I think

2178
01:47:39,330 --> 01:47:36,310
you know to just take these entities at

2179
01:47:41,700 --> 01:47:39,340
their word when we don't really know why

2180
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:41,710
they're doing it they say it's you know

2181
01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:45,310
well being you know mean you have other

2182
01:47:50,580 --> 01:47:47,620
really sort of almost like esoteric

2183
01:47:54,090 --> 01:47:50,590
theories as well for example a guy named

2184
01:47:57,500 --> 01:47:54,100
Nigel Koerner wrote two books on the

2185
01:48:00,030 --> 01:47:57,510
possibility that the greys are sort of

2186
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:00,040
crude not living entities as we

2187
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:01,510
understand it was sort of like

2188
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:04,690
biological robots which lack souls and

2189
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:07,600
he believes in his two books Song of

2190
01:48:12,630 --> 01:48:11,110
Songs of the greys and I forget what the

2191
01:48:15,330 --> 01:48:12,640
other one's called now but it's Nigel

2192
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:15,340
Koerner he believes or concludes that

2193
01:48:22,290 --> 01:48:19,410
the the greys are somehow trying to

2194
01:48:25,890 --> 01:48:22,300
understand the human soul and if they

2195
01:48:29,310 --> 01:48:25,900
could understand it and sort of harvest

2196
01:48:31,230 --> 01:48:29,320
it then they could potentially have sort

2197
01:48:34,890 --> 01:48:31,240
of immortality rather than just being

2198
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:34,900
biologically created robots with a or

2199
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:36,730
you know sort of biological robots with

2200
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:39,370
a limited lifespan so that that goes

2201
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:41,770
down really you know dark and disturbing

2202
01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:43,930
pathways the idea that they're

2203
01:48:48,899 --> 01:48:46,150
interested in the or

2204
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:48,909
with the human soul as a means to sort

2205
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:53,920
of ensure they have immortality if you

2206
01:48:59,130 --> 01:48:56,530
like and sort of splicing the human soul

2207
01:49:01,410 --> 01:48:59,140
in some way with the greys and Nigel's

2208
01:49:04,290 --> 01:49:01,420
books are very you know when you read

2209
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:04,300
them you know keep your awake at night

2210
01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:05,980
but the fact is you know there are a lot

2211
01:49:11,130 --> 01:49:08,860
of cases where abductees have said they

2212
01:49:13,709 --> 01:49:11,140
felt their soul or their life force was

2213
01:49:15,419 --> 01:49:13,719
being sort of ripped out of their body

2214
01:49:18,030 --> 01:49:15,429
and they had like out-of-body

2215
01:49:21,899 --> 01:49:18,040
experiences in the abduction are they

2216
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:21,909
limited to we always picture right the

2217
01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:24,159
the lonely car out on the road like

2218
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:25,900
Betty and Barney Hill we keep going back

2219
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:27,489
to that you know out in the middle of

2220
01:49:34,649 --> 01:49:29,890
the desert or out in the country

2221
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,659
is is how many are like that or do they

2222
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:36,880
happen in the middle of downtown Chicago

2223
01:49:42,630 --> 01:49:40,390
as well yeah well for the vast majority

2224
01:49:45,899 --> 01:49:42,640
of the reports are when paying for in

2225
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:45,909
isolated places and I think that that's

2226
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:48,610
an interesting thing because it suggests

2227
01:49:53,550 --> 01:49:50,770
that maybe they even for ever have

2228
01:49:55,919 --> 01:49:53,560
advanced they are they're limited you

2229
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:55,929
know that they're not able to like you

2230
01:50:00,090 --> 01:49:57,850
said you know just abduct someone from

2231
01:50:01,770 --> 01:50:00,100
downtown Chicago 11:00 in the morning

2232
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:01,780
you know someone's just going to

2233
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:05,530
Starbucks or whatever I think this

2234
01:50:09,959 --> 01:50:07,510
demonstrates that they are limited in

2235
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:09,969
how they have the ability to do the

2236
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:12,250
abductions now you know when you talk

2237
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:15,940
about sort of vehicle abductions I mean

2238
01:50:22,020 --> 01:50:19,210
there's a fascinating one from 1959 but

2239
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:22,030
I talk about a guy named Jerry Erwin who

2240
01:50:27,209 --> 01:50:23,890
was an American soldier at the time this

2241
01:50:30,959 --> 01:50:27,219
is February 1959 and he was driving to

2242
01:50:33,630 --> 01:50:30,969
Fort Bliss Texas of Idaho and he saw the

2243
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,640
strange light in the sky came down from

2244
01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:35,440
the sky and he thought it could be a

2245
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:37,270
plane coming down you know having a

2246
01:50:41,939 --> 01:50:38,590
fault and it was going to crash to the

2247
01:50:43,530 --> 01:50:41,949
ground so parked his vehicle left a note

2248
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:43,540
for something anybody coming along

2249
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:45,130
saying you know gone to check on a

2250
01:50:51,899 --> 01:50:47,530
possible plane crash next thing he knew

2251
01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:51,909
he was in a hospital in Utah and just

2252
01:50:59,609 --> 01:50:58,090
outside Cedar City Utah and the files on

2253
01:51:00,869 --> 01:50:59,619
Jerry's case

2254
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:00,879
now in the public domain they've been

2255
01:51:05,939 --> 01:51:02,530
released through the freedom Information

2256
01:51:09,659 --> 01:51:05,949
Act and they talk about how in March 59

2257
01:51:12,319 --> 01:51:09,669
just a week or so after he was seen by a

2258
01:51:15,659 --> 01:51:12,329
captain Valentine who was a military

2259
01:51:17,850 --> 01:51:15,669
psychiatrist who spent a lot of time

2260
01:51:19,979 --> 01:51:17,860
with Jerry trying to get to the bottom

2261
01:51:21,959 --> 01:51:19,989
of this weird case where you know he

2262
01:51:24,839 --> 01:51:21,969
brought his car to the side of the road

2263
01:51:27,629 --> 01:51:24,849
and the next thing he knew you know he

2264
01:51:30,899 --> 01:51:27,639
was somewhere else and then he was taken

2265
01:51:35,879 --> 01:51:30,909
to the hospital and the captain

2266
01:51:38,819 --> 01:51:35,889
Valentine's report said read eerily like

2267
01:51:42,379 --> 01:51:38,829
a lowly description of an abduction you

2268
01:51:44,879 --> 01:51:42,389
know with the the issue with the car and

2269
01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:44,889
Jerry are we not really wanted to talk

2270
01:51:48,989 --> 01:51:47,320
about this but intimating that there was

2271
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:48,999
more far more to the story that went

2272
01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:51,070
back to his childhood which is

2273
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,329
interesting because a lot of the

2274
01:51:57,089 --> 01:51:54,159
abduction stories you know starting

2275
01:52:00,060 --> 01:51:57,099
childhood and go through people's lives

2276
01:52:02,729 --> 01:52:00,070
so you know the the the Utah story of

2277
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,739
Jerry Erwin he's a very interesting one

2278
01:52:07,799 --> 01:52:04,719
and a classic example of how these

2279
01:52:11,969 --> 01:52:07,809
things seem to prefer to abduct people

2280
01:52:14,580 --> 01:52:11,979
in isolated locations like long lonely

2281
01:52:19,319 --> 01:52:14,590
roads like he was on and specifically at

2282
01:52:22,649 --> 01:52:19,329
night as well yeah and there I have had

2283
01:52:25,529 --> 01:52:22,659
weird things go down right here in in

2284
01:52:29,310 --> 01:52:25,539
Los Angeles and and I thought to myself

2285
01:52:30,839 --> 01:52:29,320
Nick I I literally went to the window

2286
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:30,849
this is like 3 o'clock in the morning

2287
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:34,050
and looked out expecting to see

2288
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:37,689
something above my condo I'm thinking

2289
01:52:42,869 --> 01:52:39,610
about how could this be you know this is

2290
01:52:44,580 --> 01:52:42,879
Los Angeles but what happened happened

2291
01:52:47,209 --> 01:52:44,590
I'm not saying I was abducted let's not

2292
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,219
go there well not that I know of but

2293
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:49,360
what happened happened

2294
01:52:55,619 --> 01:52:53,050
and it happened in a very populated area

2295
01:52:58,199 --> 01:52:55,629
how many times has this happened did you

2296
01:52:59,939 --> 01:52:58,209
find a case where somebody was abducted

2297
01:53:03,270 --> 01:52:59,949
from an apartment building in in New

2298
01:53:04,889 --> 01:53:03,280
York City oh yeah I mean there are you

2299
01:53:08,459 --> 01:53:04,899
know I wouldn't I wouldn't say they're

2300
01:53:09,929 --> 01:53:08,469
all sort of you know lonely nights 3

2301
01:53:11,939 --> 01:53:09,939
a.m. in the morning you know going

2302
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,949
through the woods or whatever it's not

2303
01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:12,880
like oh we

2304
01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:15,550
like that but certainly you know there

2305
01:53:20,990 --> 01:53:17,980
are a number of cases but I mean as a

2306
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:21,000
perfect example of another one that

2307
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:25,360
actually occurred in the middle of the

2308
01:53:31,620 --> 01:53:28,980
night but see in in a very built-up area

2309
01:53:36,060 --> 01:53:31,630
there's a case from Chesapeake Virginia

2310
01:53:39,260 --> 01:53:36,070
in January 1967 now what's interesting

2311
01:53:42,300 --> 01:53:39,270
about this particular case is that the

2312
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:42,310
summary orbit you can find online at the

2313
01:53:47,850 --> 01:53:44,860
FBI's website website the FBI have a

2314
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:47,860
website called the vault and if you go

2315
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:50,670
to the vault website you can go to the

2316
01:53:56,970 --> 01:53:53,710
FBI's Declassified UFO files there's

2317
01:53:59,520 --> 01:53:56,980
about 2000 pages and one of those

2318
01:54:03,000 --> 01:53:59,530
documents talks about in a summary form

2319
01:54:07,770 --> 01:54:03,010
this January 1967 Chesapeake Virginia

2320
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:07,780
case and involves a guy who was a TV

2321
01:54:13,410 --> 01:54:10,960
repair guy and he was driving home at

2322
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:13,420
night in Chesapeake you know so we're

2323
01:54:21,870 --> 01:54:16,030
not talking about some isolated location

2324
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:21,880
and he had a vague memory of being taken

2325
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,370
onboard some sort of craft which weirdly

2326
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,560
enough he described as having from the

2327
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:28,960
insight sort of like a transparent walls

2328
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:32,290
and you know you could actually see in

2329
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:34,090
and out well when you're inside you

2330
01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:35,679
could see out but when you're outside

2331
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:38,020
you couldn't see in and this is actually

2332
01:54:43,439 --> 01:54:40,570
similar to something that Travis Walton

2333
01:54:46,919 --> 01:54:43,449
described in his experience that it was

2334
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:46,929
like a translucent glass like wall now

2335
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:50,290
he described these entities that he saw

2336
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:53,920
on the way home in jest in Chesapeake as

2337
01:54:59,700 --> 01:54:57,370
being very small sort of round about

2338
01:55:02,280 --> 01:54:59,710
three to four feet tall and he had no

2339
01:55:05,340 --> 01:55:02,290
recollection from 8:00 p.m. till 4:00

2340
01:55:07,860 --> 01:55:05,350
a.m. until the story started to come

2341
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:07,870
back to him so you know this is a case

2342
01:55:12,780 --> 01:55:10,090
yes it was late at night yes it was the

2343
01:55:15,149 --> 01:55:12,790
early hours but it but it was Chesapeake

2344
01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:15,159
Virginia we're not talking about you

2345
01:55:19,290 --> 01:55:17,350
know the wilds of Canada or somewhere

2346
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:19,300
like that you know the Pacific Northwest

2347
01:55:25,620 --> 01:55:22,239
woods but what's interesting about this

2348
01:55:26,729 --> 01:55:25,630
case is that I wrote about this case a

2349
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:26,739
couple of years ago

2350
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:28,930
in an article for mysterious universe

2351
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:33,520
and as often happens you know you get

2352
01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:36,250
feedback from the readers and one of the

2353
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:38,230
people who responded to this was

2354
01:55:43,890 --> 01:55:40,450
actually the granddaughter of the guy

2355
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:43,900
whose story I mentioned and which had

2356
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:46,390
been extracted from the FBI file and she

2357
01:55:52,290 --> 01:55:49,810
was amazed that they you know that there

2358
01:55:54,630 --> 01:55:52,300
was actually like this summary file held

2359
01:55:58,590 --> 01:55:54,640
by the FBI and on their on the website

2360
01:56:01,380 --> 01:55:58,600
and we got talking and finally actually

2361
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:01,390
got got a chance to meet and she brought

2362
01:56:04,830 --> 01:56:03,130
all these pictures out of her dad you

2363
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:04,840
know outside you know with his arms

2364
01:56:09,810 --> 01:56:07,150
folded outside of his TV repair shop and

2365
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:09,820
everything and he clearly was that you

2366
01:56:13,860 --> 01:56:11,680
know the right guy but what was

2367
01:56:17,010 --> 01:56:13,870
interesting is that the summary of the

2368
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:17,020
FBI report just talks about him being

2369
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:19,690
taken onboard this craft having appeared

2370
01:56:24,750 --> 01:56:22,090
of 8:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. of missing

2371
01:56:27,150 --> 01:56:24,760
time and being surrounded by these small

2372
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:27,160
creatures now when I spoke to his

2373
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:30,310
granddaughter she told me a really

2374
01:56:36,330 --> 01:56:33,910
strange story of how two Air Force

2375
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:36,340
intelligence operatives visited him

2376
01:56:40,290 --> 01:56:38,170
there was there was no threats nothing

2377
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:40,300
like that it wasn't anything disturbing

2378
01:56:46,620 --> 01:56:43,690
they just basically said you know we

2379
01:56:48,630 --> 01:56:46,630
would be informed of your experience and

2380
01:56:52,979 --> 01:56:48,640
can you share or are you willing to

2381
01:56:55,620 --> 01:56:52,989
share with us you know the data and what

2382
01:56:56,910 --> 01:56:55,630
you can recall and he was happy to do

2383
01:56:59,970 --> 01:56:56,920
that you know invited them in they've

2384
01:57:02,490 --> 01:56:59,980
sat down and had coffee and he told the

2385
01:57:04,770 --> 01:57:02,500
story driving home saw these strange

2386
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:04,780
craft and so on they asked a lot of

2387
01:57:09,660 --> 01:57:07,510
interesting questions also along the

2388
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:09,670
lines of did he have any weird dreams

2389
01:57:15,090 --> 01:57:12,570
afterwards particularly dreams of like

2390
01:57:17,700 --> 01:57:15,100
worldwide disasters and things like this

2391
01:57:18,930 --> 01:57:17,710
and bear in mind this was 67 you know

2392
01:57:22,050 --> 01:57:18,940
those are the sorts of things that

2393
01:57:23,630 --> 01:57:22,060
started to crop up in ufology in the 70s

2394
01:57:26,670 --> 01:57:23,640
and 80s and the ninth is this

2395
01:57:28,350 --> 01:57:26,680
apocalyptic dream angle the abductees

2396
01:57:31,050 --> 01:57:28,360
have but the airport seem to have

2397
01:57:34,050 --> 01:57:31,060
knowledge of that back then now this was

2398
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:34,060
sort of very relaxed you know situation

2399
01:57:37,890 --> 01:57:36,130
where you know they're just hoping you

2400
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:37,900
would help and he said he would be happy

2401
01:57:42,030 --> 01:57:39,130
to help

2402
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:42,040
and but what was weird was that shortly

2403
01:57:48,300 --> 01:57:45,490
after that he then with the TV repair

2404
01:57:50,190 --> 01:57:48,310
guy he started to report that he was

2405
01:57:53,490 --> 01:57:50,200
being followed he told his granny's

2406
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:53,500
mother screaming his wife the girl's

2407
01:57:59,040 --> 01:57:56,800
mother that he's being followed by this

2408
01:58:01,680 --> 01:57:59,050
guy in a black suit and it wasn't like a

2409
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:01,690
normal guy sort of black suit black

2410
01:58:08,940 --> 01:58:04,840
fedora very tall but it's a really pale

2411
01:58:11,070 --> 01:58:08,950
skin and very skinny and and he was

2412
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:11,080
clearly she was describing one of the

2413
01:58:15,630 --> 01:58:13,090
weirder men in black types that john

2414
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:15,640
cale wrote about in like for example the

2415
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:20,050
Mothman Prophecies and so what began for

2416
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:22,110
me as just this literally like a

2417
01:58:29,220 --> 01:58:25,570
one-page FBI documents at the FBI's

2418
01:58:31,890 --> 01:58:29,230
website led to me to speak with his

2419
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:31,900
granddaughter and then it turns into

2420
01:58:36,990 --> 01:58:34,930
another story of an interview sort of

2421
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:37,000
clandestine interview with an Air Force

2422
01:58:42,300 --> 01:58:39,490
two Air Force officers and then being

2423
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:42,310
followed by this creepy man in black all

2424
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:44,410
because of this period of missing time

2425
01:58:49,290 --> 01:58:46,410
as he was driving home from Chesapeake

2426
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:49,300
so you know that demonstrates how a

2427
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:51,610
story that starts is pretty much nothing

2428
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:52,330
at all

2429
01:58:57,870 --> 01:58:55,330
you know expands into something of huge

2430
01:59:00,120 --> 01:58:57,880
size you know let's take a break right

2431
01:59:01,830 --> 01:59:00,130
here Nick and we'll continue this one we

2432
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:01,840
come back and we got to talk about

2433
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:05,650
Whitley we'll do that also Dulce and you

2434
01:59:11,850 --> 01:59:08,400
know what just New Mexico in general

2435
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:11,860
what is going on there this is fade to

2436
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:13,090
black our guest tonight Nick Redfern

2437
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:14,930
stay with us we'll be right back

2438
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:21,590
[Music]

2439
01:59:31,010 --> 01:59:28,770
Jimmy Church radio calm this is kera

2440
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2441
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2442
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2443
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issue and it's only getting worse

2444
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municipalities can't keep up standards

2445
01:59:45,620 --> 01:59:42,510
have dropped and pollutants are

2446
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increasing where does it all end it ends

2447
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2448
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2450
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2453
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2456
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2457
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2459
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2460
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2463
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2464
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2465
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2466
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2467
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:37,050
your contact for current news and

2468
02:00:43,850 --> 02:00:42,000
trending topics kera radio.com does your

2469
02:00:46,010 --> 02:00:43,860
basement or crawlspace have a damp musty

2470
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:46,020
smell while watch out that's a sign of

2471
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too much moisture and not enough

2472
02:00:51,050 --> 02:00:49,620
ventilation and that can mean increased

2473
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mold growth and their build-up of

2474
02:00:55,370 --> 02:00:53,160
harmful toxins and gases don't bother

2475
02:00:57,410 --> 02:00:55,380
with a dehumidifier it just circulates

2476
02:00:59,540 --> 02:00:57,420
the same unhealthy air now there's a

2477
02:01:01,670 --> 02:00:59,550
better way to remove these dangers and

2478
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odors it's with the computerized wave

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2480
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2481
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replaced our old dehumidifier with the

2482
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2483
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2484
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2485
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2487
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2490
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2491
02:01:41,479 --> 02:01:37,950
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2492
02:01:45,780 --> 02:01:43,770
this is Jimmy Church of fade to black

2493
02:01:48,900 --> 02:01:45,790
and I only drink

2494
02:01:51,420 --> 02:01:48,910
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Moon just click on the River moon coffee

2496
02:01:58,470 --> 02:01:54,280
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2497
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2498
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being tired well then it's time to get

2499
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the tea

2500
02:02:06,090 --> 02:02:03,550
hey it's Leeza here to tell you about

2501
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this all-natural all organic tea I've

2502
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:07,900
been drinking that has had great results

2503
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:09,250
for over 20 years

2504
02:02:14,010 --> 02:02:12,190
it's called life changed tea and it's

2505
02:02:16,590 --> 02:02:14,020
specially formulated to help detoxify

2506
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:16,600
and cleanse your kidneys liver colon and

2507
02:02:20,700 --> 02:02:19,330
blood all at once the colon is one of

2508
02:02:23,490 --> 02:02:20,710
the most ignored organs in the human

2509
02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:23,500
body the faster that waste is eliminated

2510
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:25,300
from the body the less time that way

2511
02:02:29,250 --> 02:02:27,310
sits in our intestine spreading toxins

2512
02:02:31,170 --> 02:02:29,260
to our bloodstream this tea helps

2513
02:02:33,390 --> 02:02:31,180
cleanse chemicals caused by outside

2514
02:02:36,090 --> 02:02:33,400
intruders from our entire digestive

2515
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:36,100
system and get this weight loss can be a

2516
02:02:40,620 --> 02:02:38,410
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2517
02:02:43,050 --> 02:02:40,630
the tea you can experience clearer

2518
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:43,060
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2519
02:02:47,130 --> 02:02:45,730
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2520
02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:47,140
if you're tired of being tired

2521
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:50,020
get the life change tea at get the tea

2522
02:02:56,820 --> 02:02:53,890
calm that's get the tea calm and like me

2523
02:02:58,560 --> 02:02:56,830
you'll be glad you did did you know that

2524
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:58,570
when you're on the road with limited

2525
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:00,880
data or Wi-Fi available you can still

2526
02:03:05,550 --> 02:03:02,800
listen to every minute of fade to black

2527
02:03:08,670 --> 02:03:05,560
by just calling six oh five five six two

2528
02:03:10,979 --> 02:03:08,680
four four eight two no smartphone app or

2529
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2530
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2531
02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:16,540
minutes just call six oh five five six

2532
02:03:21,330 --> 02:03:18,880
two four four eight two you can listen

2533
02:03:29,180 --> 02:03:21,340
to me Jimmy Church on any phone anytime

2534
02:03:33,239 --> 02:03:30,880
[Music]

2535
02:03:37,959 --> 02:03:33,249
[Applause]

2536
02:03:40,589 --> 02:03:37,969
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

2537
02:03:43,209 --> 02:03:40,599
really love ponies I'm serious I

2538
02:03:47,409 --> 02:03:43,219
couldn't stay sane without Pony mr.

2539
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:47,419
Brooks I fade to black because you never

2540
02:03:56,330 --> 02:03:54,200
this is fade to black

2541
02:04:00,020 --> 02:03:56,340
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2542
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:00,030
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2543
02:04:13,110 --> 02:04:02,410
alliance

2544
02:04:16,780 --> 02:04:15,160
welcome back fade to black I'm here

2545
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:16,790
stupid Church I love it when Nick

2546
02:04:21,730 --> 02:04:19,280
Redfern is on the show I get to talk a

2547
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:21,740
little music we didn't get food in yet

2548
02:04:28,570 --> 02:04:23,570
but a little heavy metal little punk

2549
02:04:34,180 --> 02:04:28,580
rock right Nick we didn't even talk

2550
02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:34,190
about you know like Birmingham but but I

2551
02:04:39,090 --> 02:04:36,320
love it you know see the thing is and I

2552
02:04:43,900 --> 02:04:39,100
know that you've you've been a part of

2553
02:04:46,900 --> 02:04:43,910
this concept of being who you are you

2554
02:04:49,090 --> 02:04:46,910
are you you like your music right you

2555
02:04:50,770 --> 02:04:49,100
love your your punk rock your heavy

2556
02:04:53,290 --> 02:04:50,780
metal in its look but you know part of

2557
02:04:55,090 --> 02:04:53,300
who you wear the shirts you you you play

2558
02:04:58,780 --> 02:04:55,100
the part you look the part but you talk

2559
02:05:01,150 --> 02:04:58,790
about it and you're not you know you're

2560
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:01,160
not an illusion you are exactly who you

2561
02:05:06,370 --> 02:05:02,960
are and you where proud and I just want

2562
02:05:10,810 --> 02:05:06,380
thank you for that it's tough well I

2563
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:10,820
just you know I've got like 200 t-shirts

2564
02:05:16,930 --> 02:05:13,460
five biker jackets and I don't even know

2565
02:05:18,850 --> 02:05:16,940
like arregui actually don't own a

2566
02:05:22,660 --> 02:05:18,860
collared shirt or a tie I literally

2567
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:22,670
don't own anything and Friday this

2568
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:24,890
Friday night I'm going to see Doyle from

2569
02:05:31,450 --> 02:05:27,920
The Misfits he's cleaner my solo show in

2570
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:31,460
Dallas oh man are you kidding

2571
02:05:40,090 --> 02:05:35,930
I don't Club coat raised in Dallas how

2572
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:40,100
does Doyle these days does just the same

2573
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:42,290
you know he still got his no hair style

2574
02:05:46,420 --> 02:05:44,810
we like you know the the point push

2575
02:05:48,970 --> 02:05:46,430
pushing off to them from the front of

2576
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:48,980
his head and yeah he plays like that

2577
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:52,250
combination of his new stuff and makes

2578
02:05:58,300 --> 02:05:54,050
his little bit about nine or ten misfits

2579
02:06:01,090 --> 02:05:58,310
songs as well how old is he and he's

2580
02:06:03,460 --> 02:06:01,100
probably like early fifty something like

2581
02:06:05,020 --> 02:06:03,470
that yeah yeah he's not that old

2582
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:05,030
compared to some of the other you know

2583
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:06,650
the original message because he was only

2584
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:09,290
like he was actually still at school

2585
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:11,090
when he joined the band that's right

2586
02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:13,040
that's right that's right yeah you're

2587
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:14,840
absolutely right they were already a

2588
02:06:19,070 --> 02:06:17,210
generation above him yeah that's that's

2589
02:06:22,580 --> 02:06:19,080
I guess that's right I didn't even

2590
02:06:27,590 --> 02:06:22,590
think about it that way what you spend a

2591
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:27,600
whole chapter on New Mexico and a nother

2592
02:06:32,120 --> 02:06:31,410
chapter on Dulce I've got to I got to go

2593
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:32,130
right there

2594
02:06:37,610 --> 02:06:35,370
what is going on in New Mexico certainly

2595
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:37,620
we have Roswell but that can't be the

2596
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:41,730
reason why or is it well I mean New

2597
02:06:46,820 --> 02:06:44,850
Mexico has a lot of weird UFO stories

2598
02:06:50,210 --> 02:06:46,830
attached to it and also abduction

2599
02:06:52,930 --> 02:06:50,220
stories attached to it now you know if

2600
02:06:57,170 --> 02:06:52,940
you go back to the early nineteen to mid

2601
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,180
1970s you had the whole black helicopter

2602
02:07:02,480 --> 02:06:59,760
phenomenon kicked off in conjunction

2603
02:07:06,740 --> 02:07:02,490
with the cattle mutilation phenomenon as

2604
02:07:09,620 --> 02:07:06,750
well and so you know the big question is

2605
02:07:12,980 --> 02:07:09,630
who's flying these black helicopters and

2606
02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:12,990
why now but it's clearly evidence that

2607
02:07:18,290 --> 02:07:15,390
whoever's flying them is monitoring the

2608
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:18,300
alien excuse me the cattle mutilations

2609
02:07:24,230 --> 02:07:22,170
but they're also a significant number of

2610
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:24,240
cases from not just around the world but

2611
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:26,670
specifically from New Mexico where

2612
02:07:33,980 --> 02:07:30,690
abductees have been reporting seeing

2613
02:07:37,490 --> 02:07:33,990
these black helicopters over their homes

2614
02:07:40,010 --> 02:07:37,500
it's almost like precariously close as

2615
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:40,020
if they're monitoring the activities of

2616
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:43,290
the abductees or possibly trying to even

2617
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:46,410
see an abduction take place as it occurs

2618
02:07:51,530 --> 02:07:48,410
you know there's good evidence that

2619
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:51,540
these black helicopters are part of some

2620
02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:53,850
sort of unit that is monitoring the

2621
02:08:01,190 --> 02:07:57,170
abductees and it's a fact that

2622
02:08:04,430 --> 02:08:01,200
particularly from sort of 75 to about 80

2623
02:08:06,530 --> 02:08:04,440
or there abouts there are literally

2624
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,540
dozens and dozens of stories of these

2625
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:08,880
black helicopters flying around northern

2626
02:08:14,630 --> 02:08:11,130
New Mexico where there'd be an abduction

2627
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:14,640
cases and particularly around the Dulce

2628
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:17,010
New Mexico area now for people who know

2629
02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:21,690
their UFO history Dulce has this strange

2630
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:23,940
and controversial story attached to it

2631
02:08:30,770 --> 02:08:28,410
of how supposedly there's an alien base

2632
02:08:32,060 --> 02:08:30,780
under the the Mesa which called the

2633
02:08:35,180 --> 02:08:32,070
Archuleta Mesa

2634
02:08:38,420 --> 02:08:35,190
in Dulce and all sorts of weird rumors

2635
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:38,430
of sort of hostile aliens kidnapping

2636
02:08:44,170 --> 02:08:41,400
people and them taking them to vast

2637
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:44,180
underground caverns in Dulce and

2638
02:08:48,860 --> 02:08:46,410
experimenting on them and all sorts of

2639
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:48,870
weird stuff now the big question of

2640
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:52,560
course is are those stories real or are

2641
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,890
they disinformation to try and make the

2642
02:09:01,340 --> 02:08:58,560
whole phenomenon look too over-the-top

2643
02:09:02,900 --> 02:09:01,350
so people walk away from it you know

2644
02:09:04,820 --> 02:09:02,910
concern that it's they're getting

2645
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:04,830
involved in something that's just you

2646
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:07,050
know beyond what they feel comfortable

2647
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:10,050
looking into but there's no doubt that

2648
02:09:13,820 --> 02:09:11,730
whatever you you know whether you

2649
02:09:16,580 --> 02:09:13,830
believe the stories or not the fact is

2650
02:09:18,830 --> 02:09:16,590
that significant numbers of cattle

2651
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:18,840
mutilations and significant numbers of

2652
02:09:25,190 --> 02:09:22,770
black helicopters have all been seen in

2653
02:09:29,150 --> 02:09:25,200
and around the Dulce area so something

2654
02:09:31,670 --> 02:09:29,160
is going on that disappear to Taba tie

2655
02:09:34,070 --> 02:09:31,680
in with the black helicopter phenomenon

2656
02:09:35,900 --> 02:09:34,080
now and then there's everything else

2657
02:09:39,190 --> 02:09:35,910
that goes along with that I want to stay

2658
02:09:43,690 --> 02:09:39,200
with this for a second there's not only

2659
02:09:46,910 --> 02:09:43,700
mutilations there's reports of human

2660
02:09:51,110 --> 02:09:46,920
mutilations and and going into that zone

2661
02:09:53,060 --> 02:09:51,120
is uncomfortable for a lot of us to to

2662
02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:53,070
contemplate think about and even discuss

2663
02:09:58,580 --> 02:09:55,140
but this is something that is is very

2664
02:10:01,820 --> 02:09:58,590
very real well I mean a lot of this

2665
02:10:03,950 --> 02:10:01,830
story came out from Paul bennewitz who

2666
02:10:08,930 --> 02:10:03,960
was someone in the late seventies

2667
02:10:11,330 --> 02:10:08,940
Benowitz had a a company called Thunder

2668
02:10:14,540 --> 02:10:11,340
which actually backed onto Kirtland Air

2669
02:10:16,700 --> 02:10:14,550
Force Base in Albuquerque and he did a

2670
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:16,710
contract work for the Air Force at

2671
02:10:23,300 --> 02:10:20,490
Kirtland Air Force Base and over time he

2672
02:10:25,070 --> 02:10:23,310
would see strange objects flying over

2673
02:10:27,860 --> 02:10:25,080
Kirtland Air Force Base and he came to

2674
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:27,870
believe that they were extraterrestrial

2675
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:32,400
craft and he made the fatal mistake of

2676
02:10:37,820 --> 02:10:35,370
sort of contacting the Air Force and

2677
02:10:40,010 --> 02:10:37,830
other agencies and telling them what he

2678
02:10:43,610 --> 02:10:40,020
saw and so they then turned their

2679
02:10:44,919 --> 02:10:43,620
attentions to him and what happened from

2680
02:10:48,580 --> 02:10:44,929
there was that

2681
02:10:51,340 --> 02:10:48,590
the somebody did not want Benowitz to

2682
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:51,350
get any further into what it was that he

2683
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:53,330
was looking into they strange craft

2684
02:10:59,140 --> 02:10:55,730
flying over or in and around the

2685
02:11:03,130 --> 02:10:59,150
Kirtland area and so what happened was

2686
02:11:06,850 --> 02:11:03,140
he was suddenly flooded with all these

2687
02:11:10,180 --> 02:11:06,860
stories and accounts and whistleblower

2688
02:11:12,490 --> 02:11:10,190
tales and even documents which suggested

2689
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,500
that that banner which should turn his

2690
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:14,480
attention away from Kirtland and far

2691
02:11:19,899 --> 02:11:18,050
closer to Dulce where apparently he was

2692
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:19,909
told he would get the answers that he

2693
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:22,880
was looking for and whistleblowers in

2694
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:24,880
the military intelligence community

2695
02:11:30,189 --> 02:11:26,810
swamped Benowitz

2696
02:11:32,260 --> 02:11:30,199
with these tales of as you said these

2697
02:11:34,570 --> 02:11:32,270
sort of underground installations where

2698
02:11:37,240 --> 02:11:34,580
supposedly there were hostile and

2699
02:11:39,399 --> 02:11:37,250
dangerous extraterrestrials that were

2700
02:11:41,740 --> 02:11:39,409
kidnapping people by the hundreds and

2701
02:11:44,860 --> 02:11:41,750
thousands and there were multiple layers

2702
02:11:47,229 --> 02:11:44,870
in this underground facility and people

2703
02:11:49,380 --> 02:11:47,239
were being held there and terrible

2704
02:11:52,060 --> 02:11:49,390
experiments are being done on them and

2705
02:11:53,890 --> 02:11:52,070
he got actually got too much ravenna

2706
02:11:55,959 --> 02:11:53,900
which after a couple of years of all

2707
02:11:58,060 --> 02:11:55,969
this on these clandestine meetings and

2708
02:12:01,540 --> 02:11:58,070
these nightmarish tales he pretty much

2709
02:12:03,970 --> 02:12:01,550
had a complete breakdown and had to go

2710
02:12:07,330 --> 02:12:03,980
into a facility for a while to to

2711
02:12:09,310 --> 02:12:07,340
recover and he really did not go back to

2712
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:09,320
ufology after that he just stayed away

2713
02:12:14,890 --> 02:12:13,130
from it but other people have looked

2714
02:12:18,220 --> 02:12:14,900
into the Dulce story as well and

2715
02:12:20,290 --> 02:12:18,230
certainly the FBI's files on cattle

2716
02:12:24,959 --> 02:12:20,300
mutilations which are also on the vault

2717
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:24,969
website they talk extensively about

2718
02:12:29,649 --> 02:12:27,800
mutilations in Dulce in the FBI's own

2719
02:12:33,060 --> 02:12:29,659
files so you know that that's an

2720
02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:33,070
intriguing angle to it but certainly

2721
02:12:38,350 --> 02:12:36,560
round that period banner which was

2722
02:12:41,790 --> 02:12:38,360
definitely getting a lot of really sort

2723
02:12:44,439 --> 02:12:41,800
of nightmarish abduction type tales

2724
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:44,449
directly from his whistleblower sources

2725
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:47,770
what about okay so when we talk about

2726
02:12:55,419 --> 02:12:52,730
Dulce and not a you know Schneider and

2727
02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,429
and bennewitz and the underground

2728
02:12:59,220 --> 02:12:57,280
facilities there what about the

2729
02:13:02,370 --> 02:12:59,230
Inner Earth in general whether there's a

2730
02:13:05,970 --> 02:13:02,380
lot of talk of being on a craft in a

2731
02:13:08,850 --> 02:13:05,980
room medical table examinations weird

2732
02:13:12,359 --> 02:13:08,860
weird medical tools and things hanging

2733
02:13:16,439 --> 02:13:12,369
from the ceiling same things but

2734
02:13:18,750 --> 02:13:16,449
underground you know and just like when

2735
02:13:20,819 --> 02:13:18,760
I mentioned to you earlier about when

2736
02:13:23,790 --> 02:13:20,829
you brought up maybe the alien bases are

2737
02:13:26,100 --> 02:13:23,800
on the moon and you know or here on my

2738
02:13:28,770 --> 02:13:26,110
but they're not coming from somewhere

2739
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:28,780
else in the galaxy right but some of

2740
02:13:34,379 --> 02:13:31,570
these objections might just be from

2741
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:34,389
somebody from the Inner Earth yeah well

2742
02:13:39,720 --> 02:13:37,000
you know I'm not a big fan at all of you

2743
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:39,730
know the Hollow Earth angle but you know

2744
02:13:45,629 --> 02:13:42,610
the idea of underground facilities and

2745
02:13:48,330 --> 02:13:45,639
installations there's no reason to you

2746
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:48,340
know to be in any way sort of skeptical

2747
02:13:54,479 --> 02:13:51,130
of that I mean for example the Russians

2748
02:13:56,240 --> 02:13:54,489
we know one in the Ural Mountains that

2749
02:14:00,060 --> 02:13:56,250
they've developed like a vast

2750
02:14:01,500 --> 02:14:00,070
underground installation which is sort

2751
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:01,510
of built into one of the Ural Mountains

2752
02:14:07,859 --> 02:14:04,210
you know and in the event of a nuclear

2753
02:14:09,479 --> 02:14:07,869
war potentially you know the u.s.

2754
02:14:12,209 --> 02:14:09,489
intelligence suggests that you know it

2755
02:14:14,970 --> 02:14:12,219
could house thousands of people you know

2756
02:14:17,339 --> 02:14:14,980
for however many years was needed you

2757
02:14:19,890 --> 02:14:17,349
know it's kind of like in the United

2758
02:14:22,350 --> 02:14:19,900
States you know we've got the old North

2759
02:14:27,209 --> 02:14:22,360
the old NORAD facility lots of rumors

2760
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:27,219
about facilities out of area 51 sort of

2761
02:14:32,220 --> 02:14:29,010
literally sort of hollow doubts

2762
02:14:34,319 --> 02:14:32,230
mountains and hills you know where the

2763
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:34,329
real work goes ahead so smiley

2764
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:36,400
satellites flying up above will not

2765
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:38,170
really see anything because most of the

2766
02:14:44,959 --> 02:14:40,719
stuff is underground so in other words

2767
02:14:48,089 --> 02:14:44,969
you know there's no reason whatsoever to

2768
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:48,099
to believe that there should not be or

2769
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:49,840
that it's out of the question that there

2770
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:52,840
could be underground alien facilities

2771
02:14:57,689 --> 02:14:54,730
because we're building things like that

2772
02:14:59,549 --> 02:14:57,699
rather ironically my dad worked as a

2773
02:15:04,020 --> 02:14:59,559
carpenter for most of his life and he

2774
02:15:08,430 --> 02:15:04,030
actually worked on one particular place

2775
02:15:11,149 --> 02:15:08,440
which was actually a swimming pool at

2776
02:15:14,540 --> 02:15:11,159
like a fitness center but under

2777
02:15:17,779 --> 02:15:14,550
if it though you could go down like 40

2778
02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:17,789
steps and it was actually a room that

2779
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:20,130
was designated for like the local

2780
02:15:25,219 --> 02:15:22,110
government in the event of a nuclear

2781
02:15:27,259 --> 02:15:25,229
attack now if you know as a direct

2782
02:15:29,929 --> 02:15:27,269
strike everybody been wiped out anyway

2783
02:15:31,699 --> 02:15:29,939
but you know they did actually build

2784
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:31,709
this sort of bunker type thing

2785
02:15:36,589 --> 02:15:34,800
underneath the fitness center swimming

2786
02:15:41,929 --> 02:15:36,599
pool as bizarre as it said my dad

2787
02:15:44,810 --> 02:15:41,939
actually helped to build it and and so

2788
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:44,820
you know the idea of some sort of

2789
02:15:49,759 --> 02:15:47,610
facility under dolci isn't out the

2790
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,769
question now there's an even weirder

2791
02:15:56,120 --> 02:15:51,599
story about this as well

2792
02:15:58,520 --> 02:15:56,130
back in the 19th 1960s specifically 1967

2793
02:16:01,939 --> 02:15:58,530
the Department of Energy actually

2794
02:16:04,129 --> 02:16:01,949
detonated an atomic weapon below Dulce

2795
02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:04,139
that's a true story and it was called

2796
02:16:09,890 --> 02:16:07,110
Project gas bogey and the official story

2797
02:16:12,620 --> 02:16:09,900
is that they detonated this small atomic

2798
02:16:16,219 --> 02:16:12,630
device to try and determine how much

2799
02:16:19,219 --> 02:16:16,229
natural gas was down there and how you

2800
02:16:22,729 --> 02:16:19,229
know it could be sort of harvested and

2801
02:16:25,009 --> 02:16:22,739
used you know as energy but on the other

2802
02:16:27,799 --> 02:16:25,019
side of the coin you have the suspicion

2803
02:16:31,159 --> 02:16:27,809
or the belief system that the atomic

2804
02:16:34,849 --> 02:16:31,169
weapon was actually really detonated to

2805
02:16:36,410 --> 02:16:34,859
try and destroy the alien base now it's

2806
02:16:40,339 --> 02:16:36,420
a fact that if you go to the nearby

2807
02:16:42,110 --> 02:16:40,349
nearby forest in Dulce where the

2808
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,120
detonation went off there are actually

2809
02:16:48,019 --> 02:16:44,160
signs there that warn you to this day

2810
02:16:50,209 --> 02:16:48,029
that it's illegal in relation to the US

2811
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,219
government it's illegal to actually dig

2812
02:16:54,769 --> 02:16:52,559
underground in that area which is even

2813
02:16:56,689 --> 02:16:54,779
more bizarre and none of that is hearsay

2814
02:16:59,209 --> 02:16:56,699
that's all fact about the atomic bomb

2815
02:17:02,839 --> 02:16:59,219
being exploded right just three miles

2816
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:02,849
from where they the base is supposed to

2817
02:17:07,849 --> 02:17:05,250
exist so you know you've got those weird

2818
02:17:10,429 --> 02:17:07,859
aspects to it as well why there's a lot

2819
02:17:13,610 --> 02:17:10,439
of people that live right there you know

2820
02:17:18,620 --> 02:17:13,620
it's remote but there are there are

2821
02:17:21,799 --> 02:17:18,630
towns and indigenous cultures that live

2822
02:17:23,929 --> 02:17:21,809
right there yeah you're right I mean I

2823
02:17:24,810 --> 02:17:23,939
should stress this was a small atomic

2824
02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:24,820
device and it was

2825
02:17:30,420 --> 02:17:26,920
and it was detonated like a couple of

2826
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:30,430
thousand feet underground as a means to

2827
02:17:33,870 --> 02:17:32,170
sort of you know figure out how much

2828
02:17:35,820 --> 02:17:33,880
natural gas there might be and they're

2829
02:17:39,020 --> 02:17:35,830
trying to open up areas you know and

2830
02:17:41,250 --> 02:17:39,030
figure out what they could do but I mean

2831
02:17:43,500 --> 02:17:41,260
that may well have been the official

2832
02:17:46,050 --> 02:17:43,510
story and it may be exactly what

2833
02:17:48,300 --> 02:17:46,060
happened but when you look at it from

2834
02:17:49,650 --> 02:17:48,310
the perspective of the UFO angle you

2835
02:17:51,930 --> 02:17:49,660
know it's just a couple of miles

2836
02:17:53,791 --> 02:17:51,940
somewhere supposedly there was an

2837
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:53,801
underground alien base which was out of

2838
02:17:58,140 --> 02:17:55,210
control and the government was

2839
02:17:59,490 --> 02:17:58,150
frightened to send people in in the

2840
02:18:01,440 --> 02:17:59,500
sense they know that they're not going

2841
02:18:04,050 --> 02:18:01,450
to come back you know as it was if

2842
02:18:05,610 --> 02:18:04,060
they'd gone rogue and it was off he was

2843
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:05,620
out of ground Steve - even the

2844
02:18:11,610 --> 02:18:08,410
government so a panic government tried

2845
02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:11,620
to Newcomb you know and you could

2846
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:13,870
actually strange it might say you can

2847
02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:15,850
actually make a case that that's that's

2848
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:18,370
what happens you know unbelievable now I

2849
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:21,370
had heard stories about that and that

2850
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:24,970
there that possibly had to do with some

2851
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:27,760
of the cattle mutilations mental things

2852
02:18:32,010 --> 02:18:29,290
because the testing of the radiation

2853
02:18:34,860 --> 02:18:32,020
they had to gonna and and and cut the

2854
02:18:37,650 --> 02:18:34,870
cattle apart to check for radiation and

2855
02:18:39,240 --> 02:18:37,660
its effects on the inside of the animals

2856
02:18:44,220 --> 02:18:39,250
but I didn't I always thought that that

2857
02:18:48,330 --> 02:18:44,230
was urban legend no I mean if you go to

2858
02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:48,340
the FBI's website the vault volkov go to

2859
02:18:52,770 --> 02:18:50,710
the unexplained phenomenon section and

2860
02:18:54,900 --> 02:18:52,780
click on that and then click on animal

2861
02:18:58,740 --> 02:18:54,910
mutilation and you'll see the FBI is

2862
02:19:02,880 --> 02:18:58,750
entire cattle mutilations file which is

2863
02:19:07,620 --> 02:19:02,890
about 150 pages of which about 25 are

2864
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:07,630
all files on on cattle mutilations and

2865
02:19:13,170 --> 02:19:09,850
black helicopters all around Dulce and

2866
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:13,180
these are FBI files and New Mexico State

2867
02:19:19,050 --> 02:19:15,760
Police files which I reproduce some of

2868
02:19:22,110 --> 02:19:19,060
them in the book in terms of the content

2869
02:19:23,820 --> 02:19:22,120
and text and when you read them it reads

2870
02:19:27,510 --> 02:19:23,830
like sci-fi because they're talking

2871
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:27,520
about finding tripod landing marks in

2872
02:19:34,050 --> 02:19:30,370
and around Dulce which with elevated

2873
02:19:36,780 --> 02:19:34,060
radiation readings cattle wither organs

2874
02:19:37,870 --> 02:19:36,790
mole removed and significant amounts of

2875
02:19:40,509 --> 02:19:37,880
blood drained from

2876
02:19:43,150 --> 02:19:40,519
animals and these are the FBI's official

2877
02:19:44,049 --> 02:19:43,160
records on Dulce yeah I'm looking at it

2878
02:19:49,690 --> 02:19:44,059
right here

2879
02:19:52,510 --> 02:19:49,700
I love the vault are really good about

2880
02:19:55,240 --> 02:19:52,520
releasing their files and making them

2881
02:19:57,160 --> 02:19:55,250
easy to you know obtain and you know

2882
02:19:59,770 --> 02:19:57,170
totally free you can download them all

2883
02:20:01,690 --> 02:19:59,780
in PDF format they've done a really good

2884
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:01,700
job with it well they did they did and

2885
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:04,010
when it when the first kicked I spent I

2886
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:07,490
mean to my eyes were just read you know

2887
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:10,160
I spent so much time here and and and

2888
02:20:17,020 --> 02:20:12,560
I'm back at the site now thanks for that

2889
02:20:19,810 --> 02:20:17,030
Nick let's what are you doing Jimmy I'm

2890
02:20:24,370 --> 02:20:19,820
I'm on the vault just just leave me

2891
02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:24,380
alone you you spent a lot of time on

2892
02:20:30,310 --> 02:20:25,460
whitley strieber

2893
02:20:32,820 --> 02:20:30,320
and I can't help but I want your

2894
02:20:36,730 --> 02:20:32,830
reaction to this Whitley coming forward

2895
02:20:39,730 --> 02:20:36,740
and and writing that book that changed a

2896
02:20:43,090 --> 02:20:39,740
lot for all of us myself included but I

2897
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:43,100
I often felt compassion for all of the

2898
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,820
other abductees out there that refused

2899
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:49,040
to come forward after the teasing and

2900
02:20:53,620 --> 02:20:50,479
the ridicule and some of the things that

2901
02:20:55,780 --> 02:20:53,630
happened to Whitley after that and and

2902
02:21:00,130 --> 02:20:55,790
he was very courageous and in writing

2903
02:21:01,750 --> 02:21:00,140
what he did but and you spent some time

2904
02:21:05,620 --> 02:21:01,760
on the do you think that that prevented

2905
02:21:07,660 --> 02:21:05,630
a lot of uh kidnapping victims if you

2906
02:21:09,850 --> 02:21:07,670
will from coming forward because of what

2907
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:09,860
happened to Whitley the spying that

2908
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:12,050
happened to him that the teasing the

2909
02:21:18,670 --> 02:21:15,920
public shaming that he went through well

2910
02:21:21,880 --> 02:21:18,680
yeah I mean for me communion is probably

2911
02:21:23,650 --> 02:21:21,890
the most important alien abduction book

2912
02:21:26,740 --> 02:21:23,660
and the reason why I say that is because

2913
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:26,750
you know dozens of abduction stories

2914
02:21:31,060 --> 02:21:28,490
have been you know put into books etc

2915
02:21:32,350 --> 02:21:31,070
for twenty years before that you know

2916
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:32,360
going back to the 60s with the

2917
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:35,840
interrupted journey but you know

2918
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:39,439
streamer was a really good writer and he

2919
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:41,570
had a very personal story to tell and

2920
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:44,570
also his book wasn't just sort of

2921
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:47,210
focused on scientists from other worlds

2922
02:21:51,350 --> 02:21:49,280
taking our DNA there was sort of a lot

2923
02:21:54,921 --> 02:21:51,360
of almost mystical

2924
02:21:58,220 --> 02:21:54,931
in there as well you know and we took it

2925
02:22:00,320 --> 02:21:58,230
into so very different areas where some

2926
02:22:02,001 --> 02:22:00,330
UFO researchers weren't expecting that

2927
02:22:05,060 --> 02:22:02,011
but I thought you know it was a really

2928
02:22:08,390 --> 02:22:05,070
cool refreshing approach but the reason

2929
02:22:10,850 --> 02:22:08,400
why I mention Whitley in the book was

2930
02:22:13,581 --> 02:22:10,860
because after it was published he

2931
02:22:17,690 --> 02:22:13,591
started to get some really weird things

2932
02:22:20,060 --> 02:22:17,700
happen to him for example he would have

2933
02:22:21,980 --> 02:22:20,070
kept these hang-up phone calls in the

2934
02:22:23,541 --> 02:22:21,990
middle of the night and you also they

2935
02:22:26,810 --> 02:22:23,551
would get these calls where there'd be

2936
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:26,820
Surratt this deranged laughter down the

2937
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:28,710
line and it was clearly being done to

2938
02:22:33,230 --> 02:22:31,920
destabilize Whitley and his family by by

2939
02:22:34,940 --> 02:22:33,240
doing this in the middle of the night

2940
02:22:38,690 --> 02:22:34,950
you know and sort of jolting them out of

2941
02:22:42,350 --> 02:22:38,700
a dead sleep and what this was bare mind

2942
02:22:44,541 --> 02:22:42,360
this was sort of the early 90s and so

2943
02:22:48,140 --> 02:22:44,551
Whitley got what was back then pretty

2944
02:22:51,230 --> 02:22:48,150
new he got caller ID and he was able to

2945
02:22:54,591 --> 02:22:51,240
track back this these phone calls from a

2946
02:22:56,900 --> 02:22:54,601
company called a G&G Road run and it

2947
02:22:59,150 --> 02:22:56,910
turns out that at one point well not one

2948
02:23:00,831 --> 02:22:59,160
point but four significant times they

2949
02:23:03,970 --> 02:23:00,841
actually did work for NASA the

2950
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:03,980
Department of Energy and even out at the

2951
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:07,200
Nevada Test and Training Range which is

2952
02:23:13,341 --> 02:23:10,650
better known as area 51 and on top of

2953
02:23:15,171 --> 02:23:13,351
that he started to find as he said in

2954
02:23:18,041 --> 02:23:15,181
his own words spoke started prowling

2955
02:23:21,950 --> 02:23:18,051
around my neighborhood upstate and

2956
02:23:24,410 --> 02:23:21,960
somebody flashed an NSA card to one of

2957
02:23:27,950 --> 02:23:24,420
his colleagues and trying to find

2958
02:23:31,041 --> 02:23:27,960
information out on stream now the story

2959
02:23:34,761 --> 02:23:31,051
gets even weirder because just two years

2960
02:23:38,690 --> 02:23:34,771
after scuse me one year after communion

2961
02:23:41,211 --> 02:23:38,700
came out a journalist named Ed Conroy

2962
02:23:45,551 --> 02:23:41,221
wrote a book called report on communion

2963
02:23:48,171 --> 02:23:45,561
which was Conroy's own study of

2964
02:23:50,091 --> 02:23:48,181
streamers book and his claims so he's

2965
02:23:52,700 --> 02:23:50,101
basically like an impartial journalist

2966
02:23:55,070 --> 02:23:52,710
taking a look of his story it turns out

2967
02:23:57,980 --> 02:23:55,080
that when our dead Conroy started to do

2968
02:24:00,620 --> 02:23:57,990
the research into Whitley's book then ed

2969
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:00,630
started to get weird things happen to

2970
02:24:05,211 --> 02:24:04,410
him like strange messages left on his on

2971
02:24:08,991 --> 02:24:05,221
his eye

2972
02:24:09,741 --> 02:24:09,001
long fall on his farm calls also getting

2973
02:24:12,470 --> 02:24:09,751
weird

2974
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:12,480
black helicopters outside of his window

2975
02:24:18,741 --> 02:24:16,650
and also all had what I guess today we

2976
02:24:21,411 --> 02:24:18,751
recall like a shadow person in his

2977
02:24:25,131 --> 02:24:21,421
bedroom which was a really strange

2978
02:24:27,551 --> 02:24:25,141
scenario and you know you put all those

2979
02:24:30,430 --> 02:24:27,561
issues together of Whitley being watched

2980
02:24:34,841 --> 02:24:30,440
these sort of strange phone calls

2981
02:24:37,371 --> 02:24:34,851
tracking back to like NASA and area 51

2982
02:24:40,791 --> 02:24:37,381
people actually breaking into his house

2983
02:24:43,480 --> 02:24:40,801
and somehow overriding is burglar alarms

2984
02:24:47,871 --> 02:24:43,490
then ed Conroy who writes his own

2985
02:24:50,691 --> 02:24:47,881
impartial study of Whitley and his and

2986
02:24:53,961 --> 02:24:50,701
his experiences he then becomes a victim

2987
02:24:58,131 --> 02:24:53,971
too you put all that together and you

2988
02:24:59,810 --> 02:24:58,141
know you have a significant situation in

2989
02:25:03,381 --> 02:24:59,820
which probably the most famous alien

2990
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:03,391
abductee of all time was put under major

2991
02:25:09,371 --> 02:25:06,570
surveillance by who exactly we don't

2992
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:09,381
know but at least a couple of agencies

2993
02:25:15,980 --> 02:25:14,730
this the book for me Nick and for

2994
02:25:18,261 --> 02:25:15,990
everybody that's going to be reading

2995
02:25:21,611 --> 02:25:18,271
this it's disturbing

2996
02:25:25,220 --> 02:25:21,621
it's disturbing on on all levels and

2997
02:25:28,131 --> 02:25:25,230
what what do we take away from that I

2998
02:25:30,621 --> 02:25:28,141
mean is there is there a warning is

2999
02:25:34,341 --> 02:25:30,631
there some advice I mean what do we do

3000
02:25:37,100 --> 02:25:34,351
with this well I mean the things that I

3001
02:25:39,350 --> 02:25:37,110
can say for sure having spoken to

3002
02:25:43,041 --> 02:25:39,360
literally dozens of people for the book

3003
02:25:45,321 --> 02:25:43,051
most of who are you know speaking on the

3004
02:25:48,051 --> 02:25:45,331
level you know they're not anonymous

3005
02:25:49,611 --> 02:25:48,061
people and the files are all listed so

3006
02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:49,621
people can read them for themselves and

3007
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:53,610
go and find them what I found is that at

3008
02:25:59,600 --> 02:25:56,570
least going back to the early 1960s

3009
02:26:02,331 --> 02:25:59,610
agencies at least in the US and the UK

3010
02:26:06,201 --> 02:26:02,341
we're aware of the abduction phenomenon

3011
02:26:09,861 --> 02:26:06,211
back then - I would say fairly limited

3012
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:09,871
degree through the 70s and 80s their

3013
02:26:16,860 --> 02:26:14,110
knowledge obviously clearly grew

3014
02:26:19,081 --> 02:26:16,870
and it's still going on to this day I've

3015
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:19,091
got the most recent case in the book is

3016
02:26:24,841 --> 02:26:23,110
just like a year ago but what I found is

3017
02:26:26,940 --> 02:26:24,851
that many of the questions they asked

3018
02:26:29,070 --> 02:26:26,950
back in the 16th in the back in the 60s

3019
02:26:32,251 --> 02:26:29,080
and 70s they're still asking the same

3020
02:26:33,450 --> 02:26:32,261
questions to this day V of the abductees

3021
02:26:35,461 --> 02:26:33,460
you know why do you think they're doing

3022
02:26:38,011 --> 02:26:35,471
this did you have any strange dreams

3023
02:26:40,890 --> 02:26:38,021
what were the dreams about so it seems

3024
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:40,900
like they've got some of the answers but

3025
02:26:46,801 --> 02:26:44,410
also they're still grasping for other

3026
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,811
answers to the phenomenon so I don't

3027
02:26:51,841 --> 02:26:49,120
think whether it's an agency within the

3028
02:26:54,511 --> 02:26:51,851
government or whether it's some sort of

3029
02:26:56,761 --> 02:26:54,521
black budget program that is sort of

3030
02:26:58,921 --> 02:26:56,771
covertly funded and that essentially

3031
02:27:02,370 --> 02:26:58,931
operates outside of governments which i

3032
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:02,380
think is more likely but even they don't

3033
02:27:08,850 --> 02:27:05,730
seem to have all the answers now

3034
02:27:11,131 --> 02:27:08,860
admittedly there are you know some cases

3035
02:27:12,841 --> 02:27:11,141
where people feel they've had positive

3036
02:27:14,761 --> 02:27:12,851
experiences from abductions you know

3037
02:27:17,610 --> 02:27:14,771
their lives have been changed the cases

3038
02:27:20,370 --> 02:27:17,620
where people have become vegetarian and

3039
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:20,380
they they felt they're on like a pathway

3040
02:27:26,430 --> 02:27:23,200
to help people those kind of cases are

3041
02:27:28,860 --> 02:27:26,440
quite you know positive but as I said

3042
02:27:31,261 --> 02:27:28,870
earlier you know this angle of these

3043
02:27:34,261 --> 02:27:31,271
strange creatures kidnapping us taking

3044
02:27:35,970 --> 02:27:34,271
our DNA and assuring us it's all for

3045
02:27:38,400 --> 02:27:35,980
your own good don't worry about it you

3046
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:38,410
know freely in all things heads and

3047
02:27:42,841 --> 02:27:39,610
purposes you know that's what they're

3048
02:27:46,200 --> 02:27:42,851
saying I'm not really sure we should

3049
02:27:48,270 --> 02:27:46,210
just accept them at their word and maybe

3050
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:48,280
I think that's the way the government

3051
02:27:54,480 --> 02:27:51,280
looks at it they can't prove that

3052
02:27:55,410 --> 02:27:54,490
there's a danger but I still after all

3053
02:27:58,261 --> 02:27:55,420
these years

3054
02:28:01,440 --> 02:27:58,271
best still not sure that this is all

3055
02:28:04,110 --> 02:28:01,450
kind of kosher you know well Nick okay

3056
02:28:08,190 --> 02:28:04,120
you're you're in your apartment you're

3057
02:28:10,740 --> 02:28:08,200
on a lonely road it happens right and

3058
02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:10,750
your car dot you pull over boom there's

3059
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:13,450
ETS at your door and he says look we're

3060
02:28:18,480 --> 02:28:16,000
either gonna take you or you can come

3061
02:28:20,551 --> 02:28:18,490
with us what do you what do you do I

3062
02:28:24,079 --> 02:28:20,561
mean do you go or do you put up a fight

3063
02:28:26,149 --> 02:28:24,089
and then just get kidnapped

3064
02:28:31,879 --> 02:28:26,159
I'll probably blast him with a bit of a

3065
02:28:36,169 --> 02:28:31,889
misfit destroy their eardrums you know

3066
02:28:38,199 --> 02:28:36,179
but but now joking aside well you know

3067
02:28:41,809 --> 02:28:38,209
that the problem is that most people

3068
02:28:43,249 --> 02:28:41,819
feel as if their mind controlled you

3069
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:43,259
know when they're these experiences that

3070
02:28:49,519 --> 02:28:46,319
they're their self will their self power

3071
02:28:52,009 --> 02:28:49,529
goes away and you know they either go

3072
02:28:54,829 --> 02:28:52,019
with the aliens willingly it seems like

3073
02:28:56,689 --> 02:28:54,839
willingly or you know it's like they're

3074
02:28:58,249 --> 02:28:56,699
sort of just placed under anaesthetic

3075
02:29:00,669 --> 02:28:58,259
and the next thing they know they're on

3076
02:29:04,279 --> 02:29:00,679
the craft you know there seems to be

3077
02:29:06,319 --> 02:29:04,289
hardly any cases where the witness is

3078
02:29:08,899 --> 02:29:06,329
placed in a position where they have the

3079
02:29:11,749 --> 02:29:08,909
ability to escape or to you know to flee

3080
02:29:14,929 --> 02:29:11,759
the car and head to the woods and you

3081
02:29:18,169 --> 02:29:14,939
know hide out it's almost as if you know

3082
02:29:21,039 --> 02:29:18,179
the mind control or the you know the

3083
02:29:23,449 --> 02:29:21,049
anesthesia for want of a better term

3084
02:29:25,489 --> 02:29:23,459
kicks in almost immediately you don't

3085
02:29:29,089 --> 02:29:25,499
even have time to think about getting

3086
02:29:32,059 --> 02:29:29,099
out the area unfortunately the book is

3087
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:32,069
called top-secret alien abduction files

3088
02:29:38,119 --> 02:29:34,409
what the government doesn't want you to

3089
02:29:40,579 --> 02:29:38,129
know Nick thank you so much now go play

3090
02:29:42,769 --> 02:29:40,589
some misfits get ready for a dial this

3091
02:29:46,159 --> 02:29:42,779
Friday and enjoy the rest of your night

3092
02:29:47,929 --> 02:29:46,169
thank you so much Nick all right you're

3093
02:29:50,569 --> 02:29:47,939
the best Nick I really appreciate it

3094
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Nick Redfern and his link and links for

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spot.com are right there at Jimmy Church

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and I used to say it often I you know

3099
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I'll say it right now when I whenever I

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host Jimmy Church Thank You Nick I'll be

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right back I'll open up the phone line

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3185
02:34:24,069 --> 02:34:13,799
now the paranormal radio app free in

3186
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:27,800
it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3187
02:34:39,949 --> 02:34:29,130
born this way

3188
02:34:43,360 --> 02:34:39,959
kera radio.com this is kjc our Jimmy

3189
02:34:43,370 --> 02:34:54,150
[Music]

3190
02:34:59,201 --> 02:34:56,831
all right welcome back beta-blocker me

3191
02:35:05,381 --> 02:34:59,211
oh sorry church all right opening up the

3192
02:35:13,211 --> 02:35:05,391
phone lines 3 2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 or 5 or 3

3193
02:35:16,301 --> 02:35:13,221
2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 or 8 1 8 9 2 1 6 9 to

3194
02:35:18,810 --> 02:35:16,311
9 and I do want to thank Nick Redfern

3195
02:35:20,980 --> 02:35:18,820
for coming in the book is top secret

3196
02:35:22,541 --> 02:35:20,990
alien abduction files what the

3197
02:35:27,100 --> 02:35:22,551
government doesn't want you to know and

3198
02:35:30,310 --> 02:35:27,110
and I'm not kidding when it comes to the

3199
02:35:32,680 --> 02:35:30,320
alien abduction phenomenon

3200
02:35:35,650 --> 02:35:32,690
we hear so much about it and there are a

3201
02:35:37,751 --> 02:35:35,660
lot of very famous cases out there and

3202
02:35:40,930 --> 02:35:37,761
and Nick writes a book like this you

3203
02:35:43,150 --> 02:35:40,940
have to you know take notice of it and I

3204
02:35:44,890 --> 02:35:43,160
learned an awful lot from this book it

3205
02:35:48,251 --> 02:35:44,900
is really really good so go and get

3206
02:35:51,341 --> 02:35:48,261
yours it's it's a good read ok Nick

3207
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:51,351
Redfern 40 and dot blog spot.com is

3208
02:35:55,541 --> 02:35:53,690
nick's website in the links are over it

3209
02:35:58,600 --> 02:35:55,551
to me - radio calm let's go to area code

3210
02:36:02,171 --> 02:35:58,610
4 0 8 you're up on fade to black who's

3211
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:02,181
calling hi Jimmy this is different

3212
02:36:07,001 --> 02:36:04,490
Sacramento how are you hey Deb how are

3213
02:36:10,031 --> 02:36:07,011
you first up Wow yeah I got through on

3214
02:36:11,621 --> 02:36:10,041
the line now right on I know I tried the

3215
02:36:13,421 --> 02:36:11,631
other two lines first and I couldn't get

3216
02:36:16,570 --> 02:36:13,431
through so this is my last option I just

3217
02:36:18,911 --> 02:36:16,580
had a quick question I would love to get

3218
02:36:20,591 --> 02:36:18,921
through Nick Redferns book I remember my

3219
02:36:24,220 --> 02:36:20,601
first time trying to get through

3220
02:36:26,171 --> 02:36:24,230
communion and I noticed her and very

3221
02:36:28,961 --> 02:36:26,181
interesting and kind of a disturbing

3222
02:36:33,220 --> 02:36:28,971
pattern every time I got the information

3223
02:36:35,291 --> 02:36:33,230
where it was scary or disturbing I would

3224
02:36:37,301 --> 02:36:35,301
start to get real drowsy I literally

3225
02:36:41,650 --> 02:36:37,311
like I was being put into a trance and I

3226
02:36:43,810 --> 02:36:41,660
kept falling asleep and yeah and I don't

3227
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:43,820
know if that's called cognate what is a

3228
02:36:49,180 --> 02:36:45,530
cognitive dissidence or what were your

3229
02:36:51,400 --> 02:36:49,190
brain can't handle it but but when under

3230
02:36:52,930 --> 02:36:51,410
the abduction thing where people are

3231
02:36:55,211 --> 02:36:52,940
being confronted with this and then they

3232
02:36:56,680 --> 02:36:55,221
have like a lapse of timer there you

3233
02:36:59,201 --> 02:36:56,690
were talking about them just you know

3234
02:37:01,241 --> 02:36:59,211
going under a spell or the control being

3235
02:37:03,671 --> 02:37:01,251
you know I wonder if we automatically

3236
02:37:05,860 --> 02:37:03,681
just have that embedded in us and they

3237
02:37:07,599 --> 02:37:05,870
just like flip a switch and

3238
02:37:09,550 --> 02:37:07,609
kind of you know it's easy to take us

3239
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:09,560
because our brains can't handle it I

3240
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:11,930
don't know but it took me forever to get

3241
02:37:18,639 --> 02:37:14,720
through communion because of that you

3242
02:37:20,830 --> 02:37:18,649
know you remind me of and I remember

3243
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:20,840
exactly where I was when I read

3244
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:24,410
communion and it was in Pasadena and I

3245
02:37:29,460 --> 02:37:27,290
literally and I'm not making this up I

3246
02:37:34,480 --> 02:37:29,470
mentioned this before on the show I

3247
02:37:37,570 --> 02:37:34,490
learned how to read with one eye because

3248
02:37:42,460 --> 02:37:37,580
I kept my other eye on my bedroom window

3249
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:42,470
I I'm not kidding I could literally read

3250
02:37:51,880 --> 02:37:47,290
I was so freaked out I mean I got really

3251
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:51,890
it was just something about the way that

3252
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:54,410
the first I think everything was

3253
02:37:59,160 --> 02:37:56,720
occurring in a you know like in a cabin

3254
02:38:03,730 --> 02:37:59,170
or in a bedroom and I'm in bed and and

3255
02:38:05,980 --> 02:38:03,740
and I'm reading this and and I'm waiting

3256
02:38:08,740 --> 02:38:05,990
for I felt like I was being watched I

3257
02:38:11,139 --> 02:38:08,750
felt like it was dead I literally

3258
02:38:13,210 --> 02:38:11,149
learned how to read with one eye I'm not

3259
02:38:15,250 --> 02:38:13,220
making that up that's a true story

3260
02:38:16,900 --> 02:38:15,260
I believed it because I kept having

3261
02:38:18,940 --> 02:38:16,910
while I was trying to read it - I'd have

3262
02:38:20,620 --> 02:38:18,950
images of them like showing up in my

3263
02:38:22,599 --> 02:38:20,630
room even though they weren't there my

3264
02:38:25,210 --> 02:38:22,609
mind in my imagination because of the

3265
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:25,220
way he writes it it's so good that you

3266
02:38:29,260 --> 02:38:28,010
start to imagine like this happening to

3267
02:38:30,370 --> 02:38:29,270
you while you're reading it and it

3268
02:38:32,860 --> 02:38:30,380
freaks you out

3269
02:38:36,639 --> 02:38:32,870
I didn't sleep I don't know how you got

3270
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:36,649
into drowsy mode I when I went through

3271
02:38:42,310 --> 02:38:39,439
and during that period because and he

3272
02:38:44,050 --> 02:38:42,320
brought up an interrupted journey a few

3273
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:44,060
times tonight I certainly have on this

3274
02:38:52,480 --> 02:38:48,970
show many times that and Fowler's book

3275
02:38:56,770 --> 02:38:52,490
betty-ann the betty-ann trees and that

3276
02:39:00,280 --> 02:38:56,780
the those two books combined with

3277
02:39:02,860 --> 02:39:00,290
communion I I did not sleep I could not

3278
02:39:04,750 --> 02:39:02,870
stop reading those I would read him I

3279
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:04,760
remembered this is I'm not kidding I

3280
02:39:09,310 --> 02:39:07,370
would wake up in the morning I mean I

3281
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:09,320
would get up in the morning and go out

3282
02:39:13,800 --> 02:39:10,970
and my roommates would be there and I

3283
02:39:16,929 --> 02:39:13,810
would have to act like I just got up

3284
02:39:19,180 --> 02:39:16,939
right that was the game I was up all

3285
02:39:21,580 --> 02:39:19,190
night reading these books

3286
02:39:25,240 --> 02:39:21,590
and and would come out I would have to

3287
02:39:26,920 --> 02:39:25,250
like fakie on oh you want some coffee

3288
02:39:28,570 --> 02:39:26,930
and I knew that I had to go to work that

3289
02:39:32,620 --> 02:39:28,580
day and I was up all night reading

3290
02:39:34,900 --> 02:39:32,630
communion you know it's the end recent

3291
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:34,910
affair did the same thing to me and an

3292
02:39:39,430 --> 02:39:37,280
interrupted journey which I read those

3293
02:39:42,430 --> 02:39:39,440
books over and over again but yeah

3294
02:39:42,881 --> 02:39:42,440
absolutely I was the opposite I couldn't

3295
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:42,891
sleep

3296
02:39:53,410 --> 02:39:51,200
Jimmy it's such a great period of my

3297
02:39:56,020 --> 02:39:53,420
life those books and what I went through

3298
02:39:57,730 --> 02:39:56,030
thank you so much Deb it was great that

3299
02:40:00,551 --> 02:39:57,740
was a great conversation tonight with

3300
02:40:01,930 --> 02:40:00,561
Nick wasn't it absolutely yeah I always

3301
02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:01,940
see him on ancient aliens and I knew

3302
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:03,110
he's going to be on and make sure it's

3303
02:40:07,150 --> 02:40:05,210
Anne Anne yeah he's fascinating there

3304
02:40:12,670 --> 02:40:07,160
I'll try to get his book there I won't

3305
02:40:14,230 --> 02:40:12,680
fall asleep to enough now where I can

3306
02:40:16,990 --> 02:40:14,240
handle a lot more now

3307
02:40:20,890 --> 02:40:17,000
somebody should post there is a picture

3308
02:40:22,841 --> 02:40:20,900
out there on the web of Nick and I I'm

3309
02:40:25,210 --> 02:40:22,851
standing behind Nick and we both have

3310
02:40:26,890 --> 02:40:25,220
sunglasses on and we're looking off into

3311
02:40:30,910 --> 02:40:26,900
the distance I don't know who took the

3312
02:40:33,761 --> 02:40:30,920
picture but it's it's really cool Nick

3313
02:40:35,890 --> 02:40:33,771
and I you know because he's all rock and

3314
02:40:37,450 --> 02:40:35,900
roll and I'm looking all businesslike

3315
02:40:39,700 --> 02:40:37,460
but nonetheless we're looking off and

3316
02:40:42,430 --> 02:40:39,710
it's a great picture of the two of us I

3317
02:40:44,230 --> 02:40:42,440
don't know what we're looking at and the

3318
02:40:47,500 --> 02:40:44,240
picture was taken from a distance but

3319
02:40:48,820 --> 02:40:47,510
it's it's a really cool picture of Nick

3320
02:40:50,020 --> 02:40:48,830
and I somebody should post that I

3321
02:40:55,690 --> 02:40:50,030
haven't seen it in years

3322
02:40:57,430 --> 02:40:55,700
thank you somebody who post it right now

3323
02:41:00,430 --> 02:40:57,440
we'll see you tomorrow night yeah yeah

3324
02:41:03,310 --> 02:41:00,440
absolutely take care have a great night

3325
02:41:05,410 --> 02:41:03,320
yeah somebody posts that picture of Mick

3326
02:41:07,480 --> 02:41:05,420
and I somebody's got that out there I

3327
02:41:08,830 --> 02:41:07,490
don't even think I have it so and I'm

3328
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:08,840
not going to spend the time to look for

3329
02:41:14,530 --> 02:41:11,930
it so all right let's go back to the

3330
02:41:17,470 --> 02:41:14,540
phone switch phone banks here let's go

3331
02:41:22,210 --> 02:41:17,480
to area code 601 you're up next I'm fade

3332
02:41:28,990 --> 02:41:22,220
to black who's calling up well they're

3333
02:41:31,929 --> 02:41:29,000
that call goes and I'm gonna reset that

3334
02:41:34,239 --> 02:41:31,939
phone line that was weird it was there

3335
02:41:38,739 --> 02:41:34,249
and was gone and now I've lost that

3336
02:41:42,279 --> 02:41:38,749
phone bank every man go figure

3337
02:41:45,099 --> 02:41:42,289
yeah somebody posts that picture of Nick

3338
02:41:49,239 --> 02:41:45,109
Redfern and hi that was a pretty cool I

3339
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:49,249
don't want to go back there is there the

3340
02:41:54,819 --> 02:41:52,640
point about Nick that I made at the

3341
02:41:58,000 --> 02:41:54,829
beginning of the show and this is this

3342
02:42:00,809 --> 02:41:58,010
is a very serious point that that I was

3343
02:42:05,649 --> 02:42:00,819
never able to shake from Nick which was

3344
02:42:08,769 --> 02:42:05,659
I'm going down the line right and of

3345
02:42:11,529 --> 02:42:08,779
this panel and I remember specifically

3346
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:11,539
Nick being down on the end he was like

3347
02:42:17,380 --> 02:42:14,810
the last one and after I think Steve

3348
02:42:19,420 --> 02:42:17,390
Murillo was on that panel right and and

3349
02:42:21,420 --> 02:42:19,430
I'm going through and how do you think

3350
02:42:24,580 --> 02:42:21,430
aliens are getting here how do you think

3351
02:42:26,590 --> 02:42:24,590
et is getting here you know and it was

3352
02:42:29,679 --> 02:42:26,600
the same question over you know and and

3353
02:42:32,729 --> 02:42:29,689
after after everybody and Stanton

3354
02:42:38,769 --> 02:42:32,739
Friedman and and Nick comes back with

3355
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:38,779
man you know and Nick didn't I think he

3356
02:42:45,279 --> 02:42:40,880
said his dad talked to him about this

3357
02:42:47,679 --> 02:42:45,289
when he was a kid and that they're not

3358
02:42:50,710 --> 02:42:47,689
traveling you know at the speed of light

3359
02:42:53,859 --> 02:42:50,720
and folding space and and coming through

3360
02:42:56,920 --> 02:42:53,869
wormholes and portals that they are

3361
02:42:59,250 --> 02:42:56,930
right here and that's how it is

3362
02:43:05,769 --> 02:42:59,260
happening now if you combine that with

3363
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:05,779
this book with abductions that just

3364
02:43:14,290 --> 02:43:12,800
maybe you know and when we I want to I

3365
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:14,300
want to make it like this I guess this

3366
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:16,130
is where I'm going that they are just

3367
02:43:23,170 --> 02:43:19,930
merely coming over here and this is

3368
02:43:27,790 --> 02:43:23,180
experimentation when you when you flip

3369
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:27,800
it around and we here on earth what do

3370
02:43:31,269 --> 02:43:29,449
we do well we go out and you go to the

3371
02:43:34,479 --> 02:43:31,279
woods for the first time ah there it is

3372
02:43:37,630 --> 02:43:34,489
that's it oh yeah there's William Brown

3373
02:43:39,790 --> 02:43:37,640
downtown William Brown that's the

3374
02:43:42,849 --> 02:43:39,800
photograph I got to retweet this this is

3375
02:43:44,210 --> 02:43:42,859
great and thank you for that I knew

3376
02:43:53,060 --> 02:43:44,220
somebody would find it

3377
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:53,070
the pic I was talking about Thanks boom

3378
02:43:59,780 --> 02:43:54,650
done

3379
02:44:03,110 --> 02:43:59,790
retweet I'm wondering what we are

3380
02:44:04,850 --> 02:44:03,120
talking about here or what we're looking

3381
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:04,860
at we're all doing the same thing man

3382
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:07,650
nick is so rock and roll I remember this

3383
02:44:13,700 --> 02:44:11,760
now okay this was I want everybody to go

3384
02:44:17,960 --> 02:44:13,710
and look at this pic I'll get to get

3385
02:44:20,330 --> 02:44:17,970
back to the phones here in a second this

3386
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:20,340
moment this was that contact in the

3387
02:44:23,870 --> 02:44:21,840
desert okay

3388
02:44:26,990 --> 02:44:23,880
and you had Nick's looking rock-and-roll

3389
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:27,000
I'm doing my thing but William Brown I'm

3390
02:44:37,551 --> 02:44:30,930
gonna refresh everybody's memory William

3391
02:44:44,410 --> 02:44:37,561
Brown did about a 10-minute 5 to 10

3392
02:44:50,530 --> 02:44:44,420
minute what do you call it conversation

3393
02:44:55,430 --> 02:44:50,540
point that he made about physics about

3394
02:44:58,820 --> 02:44:55,440
Lightspeed particles space travel and

3395
02:45:04,430 --> 02:44:58,830
propulsion systems right and he goes off

3396
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:04,440
on this 10-minute beautiful presentation

3397
02:45:12,620 --> 02:45:07,410
and it caught everybody by surprise and

3398
02:45:14,990 --> 02:45:12,630
I am not kidding standing ovations and

3399
02:45:17,841 --> 02:45:15,000
if you were there if you were there that

3400
02:45:19,610 --> 02:45:17,851
moment for William Brown if you were

3401
02:45:21,230 --> 02:45:19,620
there you know exactly what I'm talking

3402
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:21,240
about there was two thousand people

3403
02:45:28,250 --> 02:45:25,110
there two thousand and I went over and

3404
02:45:33,580 --> 02:45:28,260
the applause took off and I went over

3405
02:45:40,520 --> 02:45:38,360
that's I forgot all about that William

3406
02:45:42,620 --> 02:45:40,530
Brown that's an amazing cat right there

3407
02:45:44,990 --> 02:45:42,630
thank you for this all right and the

3408
02:45:48,980 --> 02:45:45,000
school - you know region how did you do

3409
02:45:50,390 --> 02:45:48,990
that so fast Reverend Jimmy you got some

3410
02:45:53,279 --> 02:45:50,400
kind of program that turns everything

3411
02:45:57,000 --> 02:45:55,769
that's pretty cool I like that if you

3412
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:57,010
want to check out what we're talking

3413
02:46:02,580 --> 02:46:00,880
about it's at J Church radio on Twitter

3414
02:46:05,849 --> 02:46:02,590
hashtag f2b

3415
02:46:12,330 --> 02:46:05,859
and you can go and check that out okay

3416
02:46:14,370 --> 02:46:12,340
so anyway where was I oh yeah so when we

3417
02:46:16,529 --> 02:46:14,380
go out and we go into the jungles and

3418
02:46:19,460 --> 02:46:16,539
we're in the rainforest or we go to a

3419
02:46:22,229 --> 02:46:19,470
tropical island or the Galapagos or

3420
02:46:24,719 --> 02:46:22,239
you're out in the desert and and you're

3421
02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:24,729
some kind of anthropologist and you're

3422
02:46:32,189 --> 02:46:28,930
going out you're collecting species you

3423
02:46:38,010 --> 02:46:32,199
know you're bagging and tagging and what

3424
02:46:39,689 --> 02:46:38,020
goes on with this is is you know could

3425
02:46:43,080 --> 02:46:39,699
be depending on how you want to look at

3426
02:46:47,010 --> 02:46:43,090
a pretty horrific right and do we

3427
02:46:49,910 --> 02:46:47,020
consider when we go into the Brazilian

3428
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:49,920
rainforest and we find a previously

3429
02:46:57,000 --> 02:46:53,050
undiscovered species whether it's an

3430
02:47:01,790 --> 02:46:57,010
insect or a mammal or a reptile and and

3431
02:47:05,580 --> 02:47:01,800
we go and we grab it and and we split

3432
02:47:07,979 --> 02:47:05,590
now and go I'm talking about back intact

3433
02:47:10,170 --> 02:47:07,989
take this thing out of its element and

3434
02:47:15,050 --> 02:47:10,180
back to a university in the in the

3435
02:47:18,689 --> 02:47:15,060
United States that is an alien abduction

3436
02:47:24,149 --> 02:47:18,699
that's exactly what's going on do we

3437
02:47:27,529 --> 02:47:24,159
consider at that moment that this family

3438
02:47:31,889 --> 02:47:27,539
has been broken up right that these the

3439
02:47:34,200 --> 02:47:31,899
children who we just abducted aren't

3440
02:47:36,389 --> 02:47:34,210
going to see their mom or dad again do

3441
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:36,399
we take that into consideration that

3442
02:47:41,010 --> 02:47:39,130
when we dissect we you know we take this

3443
02:47:43,170 --> 02:47:41,020
back to base camp and we throw this

3444
02:47:45,090 --> 02:47:43,180
thing down and boom we're cutting it

3445
02:47:47,179 --> 02:47:45,100
open and we're looking at its organs and

3446
02:47:49,889 --> 02:47:47,189
we're looking at how in today

3447
02:47:52,019 --> 02:47:49,899
photographing it in and doing all of

3448
02:47:54,479 --> 02:47:52,029
these crazy tests maybe even while this

3449
02:47:56,250 --> 02:47:54,489
thing is alive and the the medical

3450
02:48:01,979 --> 02:47:56,260
instruments that are coming down do we

3451
02:48:02,870 --> 02:48:01,989
consider any of that no we don't we

3452
02:48:06,690 --> 02:48:02,880
don't

3453
02:48:10,650 --> 02:48:06,700
so et advanced

3454
02:48:12,830 --> 02:48:10,660
mas a million years of it they're

3455
02:48:16,850 --> 02:48:12,840
looking at are they looking at us as

3456
02:48:19,350 --> 02:48:16,860
intelligent intelligent species right as

3457
02:48:21,360 --> 02:48:19,360
they are approaching earth are they

3458
02:48:23,100 --> 02:48:21,370
listening to our radio transmissions and

3459
02:48:25,440 --> 02:48:23,110
trying to figure out our language maybe

3460
02:48:26,970 --> 02:48:25,450
if they want to come here and and and

3461
02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:26,980
look at us differently they're doing

3462
02:48:33,060 --> 02:48:29,290
that they come here prepared and they've

3463
02:48:35,850 --> 02:48:33,070
been flying across you know light-years

3464
02:48:37,740 --> 02:48:35,860
of distance and time and they are

3465
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:37,750
they're coming here totally prepared and

3466
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:39,760
they they want to communicate with us

3467
02:48:45,240 --> 02:48:42,610
sure absolutely that happens but what

3468
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:45,250
about the other side of it where they're

3469
02:48:48,330 --> 02:48:46,690
not concerned with any of that

3470
02:48:51,301 --> 02:48:48,340
and they're just cruising by and they

3471
02:48:55,140 --> 02:48:51,311
find a planet that's lit up and blue and

3472
02:48:58,200 --> 02:48:55,150
beautiful it's got life let's find out

3473
02:49:01,320 --> 02:48:58,210
what kind of life is here so they look

3474
02:49:04,530 --> 02:49:01,330
at us are they looking at us as their

3475
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:04,540
equal probably not

3476
02:49:11,640 --> 02:49:08,830
and so the abduction happens right they

3477
02:49:15,631 --> 02:49:11,650
want to see what we're made of what our

3478
02:49:17,671 --> 02:49:15,641
carbon makeup is right our internal

3479
02:49:20,511 --> 02:49:17,681
Laurie it could be all of that our eyes

3480
02:49:23,400 --> 02:49:20,521
how you know what's our brain structure

3481
02:49:25,740 --> 02:49:23,410
you know all of this testing that would

3482
02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:25,750
happen are they concerned when they do

3483
02:49:31,341 --> 02:49:28,690
that abduction about your family that's

3484
02:49:37,801 --> 02:49:31,351
not going to see you come home on time

3485
02:49:42,680 --> 02:49:37,811
with dinner no now is it twisted is that

3486
02:49:47,370 --> 02:49:42,690
a sinister way of looking at all of this

3487
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:47,380
we don't consider that do we we we don't

3488
02:49:53,970 --> 02:49:50,650
do it it's it's a zone that we quite

3489
02:49:58,860 --> 02:49:53,980
frankly don't go into when you're a kid

3490
02:50:02,220 --> 02:49:58,870
and how easy is it for two to have this

3491
02:50:04,710 --> 02:50:02,230
this this outlook on this how easy it is

3492
02:50:07,650 --> 02:50:04,720
is it to go into the zone when you're a

3493
02:50:12,091 --> 02:50:07,660
kid and you're out you've got your bug

3494
02:50:14,310 --> 02:50:12,101
jar and you're out in a field capturing

3495
02:50:18,580 --> 02:50:14,320
bees and you get a big jar full of bees

3496
02:50:21,639 --> 02:50:18,590
are you concerned do you know

3497
02:50:25,090 --> 02:50:21,649
no you're not butterflies how about a

3498
02:50:27,880 --> 02:50:25,100
bird right coming home with some kind of

3499
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:27,890
pet you don't consider any of that and

3500
02:50:33,700 --> 02:50:30,770
it's got to be the same thing there's no

3501
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:33,710
other way to look at it and I don't want

3502
02:50:39,790 --> 02:50:36,890
to get twisted with this or go or too

3503
02:50:42,790 --> 02:50:39,800
far out it's just the only way to look

3504
02:50:45,670 --> 02:50:42,800
at it it is and it's not it's not

3505
02:50:48,670 --> 02:50:45,680
cavalier it's not juvenile it's not

3506
02:50:51,729 --> 02:50:48,680
basic it's just the way that it is and

3507
02:50:54,849 --> 02:50:51,739
any time I think about the et phenomenon

3508
02:50:56,859 --> 02:50:54,859
and and in the way that we are searching

3509
02:50:59,050 --> 02:50:56,869
for life or the way that we are doing

3510
02:51:01,689 --> 02:50:59,060
things or visiting other planets you

3511
02:51:03,399 --> 02:51:01,699
know we're an interplanetary species we

3512
02:51:04,990 --> 02:51:03,409
are we've been to the moon I don't know

3513
02:51:07,330 --> 02:51:05,000
how many times we've been to Mars but

3514
02:51:09,790 --> 02:51:07,340
we've certainly right now you can go

3515
02:51:12,910 --> 02:51:09,800
outside and look at mark look at Mars

3516
02:51:15,729 --> 02:51:12,920
we've got stuff traveling there right

3517
02:51:18,309 --> 02:51:15,739
now and look how far away it is in its

3518
02:51:21,010 --> 02:51:18,319
orbit and we're in our orbit how did we

3519
02:51:24,460 --> 02:51:21,020
figure all of this out that we are able

3520
02:51:26,590 --> 02:51:24,470
to go there right and I'm fascinated

3521
02:51:28,929 --> 02:51:26,600
with that we have stuff on the Martian

3522
02:51:30,939 --> 02:51:28,939
planet right now we've got Rovers right

3523
02:51:36,280 --> 02:51:30,949
now that we know about as the officials

3524
02:51:37,809 --> 02:51:36,290
right now we are interplanetary so what

3525
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:37,819
are we doing there we're scooping up

3526
02:51:43,540 --> 02:51:40,010
we're grabbing we're thin if we found

3527
02:51:46,059 --> 02:51:43,550
life on Mars right now the official side

3528
02:51:49,090 --> 02:51:46,069
of the life on Mars we're gonna bag and

3529
02:51:52,030 --> 02:51:49,100
tag it we're gonna scoop it we're gonna

3530
02:51:55,359 --> 02:51:52,040
have little robotic things that are

3531
02:51:57,130 --> 02:51:55,369
spraying fluids on it and and craziness

3532
02:52:00,370 --> 02:51:57,140
because that's what we're doing right

3533
02:52:01,870 --> 02:52:00,380
now so think about that let's go to the

3534
02:52:03,969 --> 02:52:01,880
phones I'm sorry to keep everybody on

3535
02:52:05,649 --> 02:52:03,979
hold let's go to area code eight one

3536
02:52:10,179 --> 02:52:05,659
four you're up next on fade to black

3537
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:10,189
who's calling hello yes you're live oh

3538
02:52:17,050 --> 02:52:14,479
my god it's me Sofia hi Cynthia how are

3539
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:17,060
you where are you calling from Bradford

3540
02:52:25,899 --> 02:52:21,439
PA Bradford Pennsylvania how you doing

3541
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:25,909
Oh the day what's on your mind

3542
02:52:32,180 --> 02:52:31,040
Benedict well I was listening about your

3543
02:52:39,591 --> 02:52:32,190
jar of

3544
02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:39,601
B's and that I don't know where does

3545
02:52:44,330 --> 02:52:42,240
that come from there are bees and then

3546
02:52:47,660 --> 02:52:44,340
you start going on and on and on with

3547
02:52:49,940 --> 02:52:47,670
that I was like a jar of bees okay where

3548
02:52:53,631 --> 02:52:49,950
is he going with that so I was kind of

3549
02:52:58,400 --> 02:52:53,641
confused so elaborate well while I just

3550
02:53:01,280 --> 02:52:58,410
did Cynthia but I'll do it again when to

3551
02:53:03,440 --> 02:53:01,290
you tonight so I'm just stayin clear

3552
02:53:04,730 --> 02:53:03,450
okay okay well I'm going with that well

3553
02:53:09,080 --> 02:53:04,740
I'll see what I can

3554
02:53:11,660 --> 02:53:09,090
that was good actually you know alien

3555
02:53:14,091 --> 02:53:11,670
abductions and et coming here and

3556
02:53:16,700 --> 02:53:14,101
abducting people right do you think they

3557
02:53:18,830 --> 02:53:16,710
have a consciousness as they're doing

3558
02:53:20,841 --> 02:53:18,840
that are they concerned do morals come

3559
02:53:24,410 --> 02:53:20,851
into play or they're just plucking

3560
02:53:26,660 --> 02:53:24,420
people and doing testing well we do the

3561
02:53:28,940 --> 02:53:26,670
same thing if we're going to the

3562
02:53:33,140 --> 02:53:28,950
Brazilian rainforests and are looking

3563
02:53:35,570 --> 02:53:33,150
for a new species of animal right and we

3564
02:53:37,730 --> 02:53:35,580
just go and grab it and leave are we

3565
02:53:44,470 --> 02:53:37,740
concerned about the family that we just

3566
02:53:49,131 --> 02:53:44,480
broke up right I hear you

3567
02:53:53,360 --> 02:53:49,141
weird how is that weird did you capture

3568
02:53:58,850 --> 02:53:53,370
bees in a jar when you were a kid no you

3569
02:53:59,420 --> 02:53:58,860
never did Oh Cynthia never did no never

3570
02:54:01,580 --> 02:53:59,430
never

3571
02:54:04,881 --> 02:54:01,590
why not I had cockroaches I had

3572
02:54:08,690 --> 02:54:04,891
cockroaches crawling everywhere okay

3573
02:54:11,780 --> 02:54:08,700
different and they live forever so think

3574
02:54:13,881 --> 02:54:11,790
about that the difference between these

3575
02:54:17,150 --> 02:54:13,891
your bees and cockroaches because I

3576
02:54:20,210 --> 02:54:17,160
traveled all over the world cockroaches

3577
02:54:25,400 --> 02:54:20,220
live forever right now think about that

3578
02:54:28,551 --> 02:54:25,410
yeah you can do new nuclear I'm Spanish

3579
02:54:31,070 --> 02:54:28,561
so my accent comes out so you could do

3580
02:54:36,761 --> 02:54:31,080
that new killer thing that people talk

3581
02:54:40,460 --> 02:54:36,771
about and what survives cockroaches yep

3582
02:54:43,270 --> 02:54:40,470
yep yeah and we could learn a lot from

3583
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:43,280
that too if you think about it I think

3584
02:54:49,499 --> 02:54:47,279
that they live about a hundred years

3585
02:54:55,319 --> 02:54:49,509
they're creepy when they crawl on your

3586
02:54:58,319 --> 02:54:55,329
curly hair like I have you know I gotta

3587
02:55:02,219 --> 02:54:58,329
say I've experienced a lot in my life I

3588
02:55:03,959 --> 02:55:02,229
don't know if I've gone there but you

3589
02:55:06,779 --> 02:55:03,969
don't want to go there because when I

3590
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:06,789
was in Panama and I heard about you that

3591
02:55:11,329 --> 02:55:08,890
you lived in Panama right good I did I

3592
02:55:14,459 --> 02:55:11,339
lived there for three years I went to

3593
02:55:19,289 --> 02:55:14,469
Balboa not about bought high school so

3594
02:55:22,889 --> 02:55:19,299
did I what year were you there I was I'm

3595
02:55:24,869 --> 02:55:22,899
old I'm 53 or 54 right or 55 wait a

3596
02:55:29,069 --> 02:55:24,879
minute we went to Balboa high school at

3597
02:55:33,329 --> 02:55:29,079
the same time are you kidding me I was

3598
02:55:36,539 --> 02:55:33,339
in high in Panama Canal my father was a

3599
02:55:40,170 --> 02:55:36,549
banker international auto turn banker

3600
02:55:42,719 --> 02:55:40,180
and I lived there for three years and I

3601
02:55:45,989 --> 02:55:42,729
went there then I had to go to Columbia

3602
02:55:48,749 --> 02:55:45,999
and then went back to Panama in the

3603
02:55:50,819 --> 02:55:48,759
Canal Zone right so I was there for the

3604
02:55:54,989 --> 02:55:50,829
year I can't remember you would have

3605
02:55:58,859 --> 02:55:54,999
been there 78 78 if you're the same ages

3606
02:56:01,189 --> 02:55:58,869
yeah well so was i I was I went there in

3607
02:56:05,999 --> 02:56:01,199
78 79 80

3608
02:56:09,149 --> 02:56:06,009
yeah and I'm 53 I'll be turning 54 in

3609
02:56:15,889 --> 02:56:09,159
February yes you were there Wow yes

3610
02:56:23,309 --> 02:56:19,109
who's your best friend yeah give me some

3611
02:56:26,279 --> 02:56:23,319
names names no yeah I don't think so

3612
02:56:30,079 --> 02:56:26,289
because you're you were military my

3613
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:30,089
father's side was Bank of America he was

3614
02:56:35,039 --> 02:56:32,560
I'm talking about at the high school

3615
02:56:37,649 --> 02:56:35,049
like do you remember I thought I forget

3616
02:56:40,920 --> 02:56:37,659
it I can't remember I was cross holding

3617
02:56:42,749 --> 02:56:40,930
you don't remember my Argentina and

3618
02:56:45,569 --> 02:56:42,759
going back and forth because of my

3619
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:45,579
father's job you didn't have any friends

3620
02:56:50,670 --> 02:56:48,640
at the school it was very hard to have

3621
02:56:53,880 --> 02:56:50,680
friends when I was growing up yeah very

3622
02:56:56,279 --> 02:56:53,890
hard because I was there for two years

3623
02:56:59,610 --> 02:56:56,289
you make a friend to get in trouble and

3624
02:57:03,630 --> 02:56:59,620
party blah blah blah and you were going

3625
02:57:05,551 --> 02:57:03,640
to another country hmm okay yeah my

3626
02:57:06,030 --> 02:57:05,561
father was an auditor for Bank of

3627
02:57:08,730 --> 02:57:06,040
America

3628
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:08,740
internationally good but see this is

3629
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:10,570
what's weird Cynthia how could you have

3630
02:57:17,761 --> 02:57:13,200
not known me at that high school

3631
02:57:20,850 --> 02:57:17,771
everybody know I hated the school I

3632
02:57:23,580 --> 02:57:20,860
hated that was a great school it was a

3633
02:57:26,160 --> 02:57:23,590
great or you maybe because I didn't have

3634
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:26,170
the time to spend the time there because

3635
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:29,530
it kept on getting pulled out dragged

3636
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:34,210
what a drag yeah I love Balboa high

3637
02:57:37,770 --> 02:57:36,250
school I loved every part about I loved

3638
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:37,780
every aspect

3639
02:57:47,070 --> 02:57:42,010
I liked the principal school before that

3640
02:57:49,591 --> 02:57:47,080
before you do Quran do yes I was there

3641
02:57:52,020 --> 02:57:49,601
mostly before I was there yeah yeah come

3642
02:57:54,750 --> 02:57:52,030
on do junior high and that's what it was

3643
02:58:00,841 --> 02:57:54,760
it had the cafeteria that was a geodesic

3644
02:58:03,240 --> 02:58:00,851
dome you remember that yes yes because I

3645
02:58:06,420 --> 02:58:03,250
think when I went to high school in

3646
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:06,430
Balboa I got pulled out twice I didn't

3647
02:58:12,750 --> 02:58:10,090
make friends there so I was back in

3648
02:58:15,630 --> 02:58:12,760
Columbia and then they drew me back for

3649
02:58:17,100 --> 02:58:15,640
a couple months in Balboa so you

3650
02:58:19,230 --> 02:58:17,110
understand where I'm going with that I

3651
02:58:22,051 --> 02:58:19,240
do and Cynthia you know what they you

3652
02:58:24,360 --> 02:58:22,061
know what the crazy part is it's the end

3653
02:58:26,520 --> 02:58:24,370
of the show I got a run credit and

3654
02:58:29,430 --> 02:58:26,530
you're my last caller thank you so much

3655
02:58:34,551 --> 02:58:29,440
and you know it's kind of crazy you and

3656
02:58:37,470 --> 02:58:36,841
think about that I'll talk to you

3657
02:58:41,341 --> 02:58:37,480
Cynthia

3658
02:58:43,261 --> 02:58:41,351
have a great out went to high school

3659
02:58:46,380 --> 02:58:43,271
with her that's pretty trippy that's

3660
02:58:48,180 --> 02:58:46,390
kind of weird junior high - I gotta

3661
02:58:49,980 --> 02:58:48,190
think Nick Redfern for coming then

3662
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:49,990
tonight what a great conversation

3663
02:58:54,570 --> 02:58:52,960
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3664
02:58:57,930 --> 02:58:54,580
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3665
02:58:59,430 --> 02:58:57,940
you to know very simple go over to Jimmy

3666
02:59:02,130 --> 02:58:59,440
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3667
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:02,140
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3668
02:59:05,290 --> 02:59:04,090
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3669
02:59:07,210 --> 02:59:05,300
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3670
02:59:09,910 --> 02:59:07,220
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3671
02:59:13,330 --> 02:59:09,920
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3672
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3673
02:59:20,530 --> 02:59:16,729
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3674
02:59:23,440 --> 02:59:20,540
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3675
02:59:28,240 --> 02:59:23,450
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3676
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,250
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3677
02:59:32,860 --> 02:59:30,560
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3678
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:32,870
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3679
02:59:37,090 --> 02:59:35,120
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3680
02:59:39,099 --> 02:59:37,100
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3681
02:59:40,450 --> 02:59:39,109
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3682
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3683
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3684
02:59:49,440 --> 02:59:45,109
right here open lines fader night all

3685
02:59:54,330 --> 02:59:49,450
night long until then everybody be safe